Vulcan Flying Boat Idea

[Cobra]

Hey Guys, an Idea kinda Struck me, What If some Avro Vulcan Bombers Were Converted into Maritime Strike Flying Boats?  i Sometimes Thought The Vulcan or Something Based on it Could Be Used for the Basis of a Flying Boat, Think Seamaster UK Style!  What Say You? Thanks For Looking.Dan

[Stargazer]

Hey Guys, an Idea kinda Struck me, What If some Avro Vulcan Bombers Were Converted into Maritime Strike Flying Boats?  i Sometimes Thought The Vulcan or Something Based on it Could Be Used for the Basis of a Flying Boat, Think Seamaster UK Style!  What Say You? Thanks For Looking.Dan

Trying to figure it out but can't really see it myself... 

[Cobra]

Try Mating the Hull of a Martin Seamaster to the Underside of an Avro Vulcan & See if you can Picture that in your Mind. OK, Stargazer? Didn't mean to Confuse a Master Whiffer like you. Dan

[Stargazer]

Try Mating the Hull of a Martin Seamaster to the Underside of an Avro Vulcan & See if you can Picture that in your Mind. OK, Stargazer? Didn't mean to Confuse a Master Whiffer like you. Dan

No probs my friend! I have tried to do just that mentally but it didn't seem to fit... However, you've given me (indirectly) another brilliant idea which I'm currently working on. ANOTHER seagoing British bomber, and this time such a natural it makes you wonder why it was never done before... 

[Weaver]

In the newly published American Secret projects - Bombers book, there's a Martin project for the US Navy  (Model 245) which very much resembles a Vulcan, being significantly lighter but almost the same size. One of the options proposed for this was an additional flying-boat hull full of fuel that would be jettisoned en route to the target.

Pictures and drawings here: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,570.0.html

[PR19_Kit]

From a practical point of view, the Vulcan's wing being so thick, the hull part would need to be very deep indeed in order for the wing and engines to clear the water. This didn't occur with the Seamaster as the engines were on top of the wing, and not actually inside it.

Perhaps a retractable planing hull like the Blackburn B20 though?

[Weaver]

From a practical point of view, the Vulcan's wing being so thick, the hull part would need to be very deep indeed in order for the wing and engines to clear the water. This didn't occur with the Seamaster as the engines were on top of the wing, and not actually inside it.

Perhaps a retractable planing hull like the Blackburn B20 though?

How about a MiG-29-style diverter system, where the leading-edge intakes close while it's on the water and overwing intakes open?

[Stargazer]

In the newly published American Secret projects - Bombers book, there's a Martin project for the US Navy  (Model 245) which very much resembles a Vulcan, being significantly lighter but almost the same size. One of the options proposed for this was an additional flying-boat hull full of fuel that would be jettisoned en route to the target.

Pictures and drawings here: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,570.0.html

Exact link to the Martin 245 is this: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,570.msg37784.html#msg37784

[McColm]

The Vulcan's did carry out the maritime reconnaissance role and in a certain Bond film make a water landing. so the runway lights were back-to-front. I'm not sure if the Vulcan's were ever armed with anti-ship missiles or how long a Vulcan could remain afloat if a ditching occurred.
The victor would be more suited as a flying boat.

[Stargazer]

The Vulcan's did carry out the maritime reconnaissance role and in a certain Bond film make a water landing. so the runway lights were back-to-front. I'm not sure if the Vulcan's were ever armed with anti-ship missiles or how long a Vulcan could remain afloat if a ditching occurred.
The victor would be more suited as a flying boat.

Spot on! You've come to the same conclusion as I have... and so here's a little treat for you guys, the Handley-Page Sea Victor Mk. 1... Hope you like it! A color version will be featured in my own gallery within minutes... (talk about advertising tricks! LOL).

[sandiego89]

Perfect timing, I just picked up an old mathcbox 1/72 Victor for this exact purpose!  Had been mulling this for years after someone proposed it here.    Thinking of blanking off the intakes and going with the intakes above the wing.  Better check my putty supply....

[Stargazer]

Perfect timing, I just picked up an old mathcbox 1/72 Victor for this exact purpose!  Had been mulling this for years after someone proposed it here.    Thinking of blanking off the intakes and going with the intakes above the wing.  Better check my putty supply....

Cool! Will you use a Seamaster model for the hull and floats?

[McColm]

You could copy the Mig-29 and have a set of air intakes pointing verticaly for take off and swivel forward when in flight. The Mig-29 avoids FOD for take-off.
Great pic of the Sea Victor.

[Howard of Effingham]

not wishing as a HP nut to spoil the party but the ditching characteristics of the victor were reckoned to be awful, though having said that
no victor was [that i know of] involved in an accident where ditching would have been necessary.

a flying boat victor is an interesting idea, but where will you house the weapons for ASW/ASuW?

trevor

[Stargazer]

not wishing as a HP nut to spoil the party but the ditching characteristics of the victor were reckoned to be awful, though having said that
no victor was [that i know of] involved in an accident where ditching would have been necessary.
a flying boat victor is an interesting idea, but where will you house the weapons for ASW/ASuW?

I feel like I'm somewhat hijacking Cobra's thread here, quite unwillingly. Perhaps you could ask the question on my own thread? The Sea Victor is also there. Thanks for Cobra!

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