Airfix

[Pellson]

I model for ME. MFM!

Frankly, put me on ignore.  Because life is so much easier.

I also only model for me, but I find it very encouraging and rewarding to share my ideas and my sometimes very limited progress. I'm also a rather unskilled modeller, so my results are far from many others I can see here, but it doesn't matter to me, because I'm building for me and having fun and that's what matters.

However, when I'm being questioned here - or asking questions - it's most often a learning involved for me. I find I do learn some new every time. And when I comment on something (and get misinterpreted and annoy someone) it's never to cause harm. It's just me not being as socially skilled through the keypad as I hopefully am in person. That's a bit sad but nonetheless true.

In your case, Wooksta, I have also annoyed you once (at least). That was entirely unintentional and I think we're past it, and I choose to follow you - because I still learn from you. And even if I actually, being an almost 100% whif-builder these days, likely wouldn't care about the ridged tailwheel, I can be a bit taken back by a model company missing out on something so obvious.

Now back to watching you. 

[The Wooksta!]

Hasegawa got it wrong but also right, if that makes any sense. The early aircraft (definitely the PR.I and the the bomber conversions, many of the NF.IIs, possibly the early production T.III batch and the early B.IVs) had a balloon tyre and that changed to the Marstrand double contact anti shimmy one, but I can't find when, I suspect at some point in late 42 or early 43. The FB.VI prototype had the early tailwheel, judging by photos in the Ian Thirsk book, and that first flew in June '42.

The waters are further muddied by older aircraft being retrofitted with the later tailwheel. Annoyingly, now I'm looking, all the photos seem rather indistinct.

The Hasegawa kits all had the balloon tyre, but their Mosquito is lacking in many areas, vastly overpriced, has poor fit and shape issues compared to the Tamiya kit. The latter benefited from guys from Tamiya crawling over airframes at Salisbury Hall with measuring gear.

The Tamiya one has the Marstrand one but the NF.II in the NF.II/FB.VI kit has a really low serial in the W40XX range, so it should have had the earlier tail wheel and the fuselage strake on the starboard side shouldn't be there either.

Basically, check a photo if you're doing a particular early airframe.

However, by the time the B.XVI began production, the tailwheel was definitely the later one.

[The Wooksta!]

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In your case, Wooksta, I have also annoyed you once (at least). That was entirely unintentional and I think we're past it, and I choose to follow you - because I still learn from you. And even if I actually, being an almost 100% whif-builder these days, likely wouldn't care about the ridged tailwheel, I can be a bit taken back by a model company missing out on something so obvious.

Now back to watching you. 

If you have, I've long forgotten it and the last line of the post quoted was intended for someone else, who has joined two others on my ignore list.

[kitnut617]

Frankly, put me on ignore.  Because life is so much easier.

You've been there for months and I only see what you post when it's quoted by someone else.  I'd prefer the ignore feature to be like on SPF, where when you're on it, you don't appear anywhere in the threads  ---

[NARSES2]

Well I for one am looking forward to the kit and have it on pre-order 

Also being a moderator I have to read every post and reply and lets just say that at times that can be rather trying, but I take a deep breath and carry on and at the end of the day common sense normally prevails 

[NARSES2]

Must admit the one I'm really looking forward to is the new tool Tempest.

Mind you most new tool Airfix kits are a treat nowadays.

[Pellson]

Mind you most new tool Airfix kits are a treat nowadays.

Quite so.

[zenrat]

So WHY has this new kit got the wrong wheel?
I presume because they have fallen in to the trap of assuming that what they LIDARed was accurately restored.

I only have one person here on ignore, and she only posts sporadically anyway.

[PR19_Kit]

I only have one person here on ignore, and she only posts sporadically anyway.

I can't imagine WHO you mean............... 

[scooter]

I only have one person here on ignore, and she only posts sporadically anyway.

I can't imagine WHO you mean............... 

I think most of us can't imagine WHO Fred means........................... 

[Rheged]

Also being a moderator I have to read every post and reply and lets just say that at times that can be rather trying, but I take a deep breath and carry on and at the end of the day common sense normally prevails 

Much sympathy, and apologies (on account, as it were) for the next time I inadvertently incur your wrath.   

Consider yourself awarded an extra glass of Merlot/ Cabernet Sauvignon/shiraz  for your unswerving devotion to moderation.

[ChernayaAkula]

So WHY has this new kit got the wrong wheel?
I presume because they have fallen in to the trap of assuming that what they LIDARed was accurately restored. <...>

That could be one explanation.  As the case of their MiG-17 shows, it's obvious that having an accurate LIDAR scan doesn't necessarily guarantee the CAD model for cutting the tooling will also be accurate. Things can still get lost in the process of generating the CAD model from the raw LIDAR data. The leading edge difference (sharp near the fuselage, rounded near the tip) was missed. Did the CAD designer simply not trust the LIDAR data (photos of which did show the kink)? Or did he not care? 
The flat upper wing surface is another thing where the accurate scan didn't transfer into an accurate CAD model. Maybe a case where the CAD designer is a competent CAD designer, but doesn't know a thing about aircraft design (a wing like this wouldn't work). Same as with the engine access hatches on the belly. They are mirrored when they should be different. Competent CAD designer, but no clue about the minutiae of MiG-17s.
If you as modeller care about these details is up to you. Are they deal-breakers? Perhaps to some, but probably not to many. Still, it shows that accurate scans don't necessarily mean accurate models. Having them even more accurate wouldn't have cost Airfix anything. Well, they'd maybe have to pay someone to look over the CAD for an hour or two.
I have two of their MiG-17s and I do intend to build them. I don't care about the engine panels, but accurate wings would have been nice (But it's just a lowly Fresco. Imagine they'd have dumped the gull wing from a Spitfire! Torches and pitchforks, I'm telling ya! ).

[PR19_Kit]

Imagine they'd have dumped the gull wing from a Spitfire! Torches and pitchforks, I'm telling ya! ).

With some of their earlier ones they did just that! And torches and pitchforks were the mildest of levels back then.....

[kitnut617]

Imagine they'd have dumped the gull wing from a Spitfire! Torches and pitchforks, I'm telling ya! ).

With some of their earlier ones they did just that! And torches and pitchforks were the mildest of levels back then.....

Except Spitfires don't have gull wings ---- from just outside the u/c hinge to u/c hinge, the wing is dead straight and perpendicular to the fuselage datum line.

[Martin H]

Well I for one am looking forward to the kit and have it on pre-order 

Also being a moderator I have to read every post and reply and lets just say that at times that can be rather trying, but I take a deep breath and carry on and at the end of the day common sense normally prevails 

Likewise. Any new tool mossi, faults and all is welcome in my book. Any faults regardless of why/how they ended up in the end product gives the aftermarket boys like Colin a chance to earn a living...................

As for the moderating of this place. Chris has mine and the other admins full support. I'm a very easy going bloke. Yet as an admin I do have a range of admin tools to wield if anyone causes to much trouble on here. I have no wish to deploy any of the tools at my disposal. But, I will if needs be as a very last resort.

In short Play nice.
You are taken to have agreed to the few rules we have here when you join. And for 99.9% of the time we have few if any problems. Lets keep it that way shall we?