Kyushu J7W Shinden

[sequoiaranger]

Some plastic has already been cut on this twin-Shinden long ago. A someday-get-to-it project. (top photo)

Then, why not turn it around for a Walther rocket-boosted interceptor? (bottom photo)

[Dork the kit slayer]

Good ideas one and all.........................now come on guys build them.
I know how hard it can be,Ive had all the bits for a "jet" Shinden in one box for about two years,that will now be built the "real" way.Money has been allocated for one(at least) of the new issue jets.
With no big fan at the back surely we can lower the under cart a bit...........that should make it carrier wiffing qualified???

[sotoolslinger]

I also have a couple o Shinden kits......so long now I can't remember what I planned for them One was going to have twin tailbooms but I don't remember from what

[philp]

I was planning to build my Shinden as a postwar JASDF machine, say as an interceptor before the F-86 came online.  I envision a scenario where the Self Defense Forces are created years earlier, due to more hostile action by the Soviets, such as recon flights using Tu-4s in bogus markings.

Or taking on Godzilla, Rodan and their kin.

[Jeffry Fontaine]

the 302nd Naval Air Group (the markings in the kit) was a land-based air defense (interceptor/nightfighter) unit, stationed at Atsugi, that was, in the 'real world', equipped with J2M Raiden interceptors as well as Zeros and Gekkos. If the Shinden had gone into combat it most likely would have been in the hands of the 302nd or 332nd.

The Army had their own advanced projects and it is doubtful that they would have used the Navy's aircraft, both services were funny that way.

Hi Jon,

Well aware of the Army vs Navy issues when it came to the development programs.  I was more concerned with what was stated about the Shinden being a naval aircraft.  This got me to wondering if there were plans to actually launch and recover the Shinden from an aircraft carrier.  First thing that came to mind is where are they going to put the tail hook since there is definitely not a lot of room underneath that airframe for such a thing and the propeller would be in an ideal position for a deck strike or cable strike during landing.  

[jcf]

The Shinden was completely a project of the IJN, the concept originated with a Naval Design Team as the
MXY6 glider. Kyushu were assigned to develop the concept into a production aircraft, due to an availability
of personnel and manufacturing capacity, Kyushu worked in concert with the IJN Design Team.

The J2M Raiden, N1K1-J, N1K2-J were all land-based interceptor designs that were not used off of, nor intended for,
aircraft carriers. Single-seat, single-engine interceptor in the IJN did not equate to 'carrier based'.

The He 112 and He 100 were both examined by the IJN for the land-based role, for China service naturally, and while
they passed on the 112 they had intended to have Aichi produce the He 100D in quantity. The aircraft was not to
have been 'navalized' i.e. made carrier compatible.

Jon

[Green Dragon]

Far as I can remember the Shinden was never intended to fly from the carriers, there is a drawing of one of the proposed Ne130 powered Shinden Kai on Hikoki 1946 with shortened landing gear, simplified intakes, raised cockpit with less canopy framing and most of the lower tail surfaces removed. I think this could have been adapted to carrier specs quite easily but I doubt if any plans were started.
Pic linky.
http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_graphics/shinden_kai.jpg

Paul Harrison

[sequoiaranger]

>I'd like to shrink the landing gear length a bit, stretch the length a bit, and sweep all the wings a bit.    It would be a major total rebuild but Kyushu may have taken the aircraft that way.   <

Stretching seems like a good idea, but sweeping the wings more...? For what effect except looks (not that, for whiffs, one needs any excuses)?

To sweep the wings back of sub-sonic aircraft is a waste of time and energy, doing absolutely no good aerodynamically until the wings get swept WAAAAAY back. The Me-262 and Me-163 might as well have had straight wings for all the good they did aerodynamically. Look at the straight-winged Panther, Shooting Star, Meteor/Vampire, etc. These non-swept wing designs were MORE SOPHISTICATED, and were NOT throwbacks to the propeller age, but rather practical wings for the purpose. The straight wings of the He-280 (and incidentally, the Ar-234) were fine for jet fighters.

[JayBee]

Found this on the internet the other day.

[Sauragnmon]

I had one thought come to mind the other day, actually, about my beloved Shinden - what about if they'd decided to make a multirole version of the aircraft - the 4x30mm is a bit heavy to chase, say, fighters with.  I know some specs say they would have carried a single 7.7mm down the nose further, I found myself thinking yesterday, what about a Five Gun shinden - 3x20mm and 2x30mm - it still packs serious scary punch for chasing down bombers, but the 20mm's would also carry a bigger feed, and the navy's Ho-5 had some nice range on it too.

Just a few thoughts.

Of course, I also had the question floating in mind of "What if Kyushu continued to build aircraft?" and had thoughts of converting other Delta/Canard aircraft with JASDF equipment and engines, turning them into Japanese aircraft produced ostensibly by Kyushu.

[luft46models]

I've got the ordinary Shinden in 1/72 ready to paint. I've Germanified it by adding 2 X-4's and a cockpit in RLM66 and the paint scheme is based on a Fw190 sheet from Eagle Strike. Hopefully it'll fare better than the 1/48 version I accidentally left in the back of the car on a nice hot Aussie summer day when moving . I'll send pics one day when it's finished

William in Oz

[HOG]

Hoyhoy`Al,
Like `William in Oz` I have always thought that what the Shinden (and the F7 Cutlass) needed was some crosses and a nice Luft 46 paint job. Poss`bly o/all metal with RLM 8* something on the wings and spine. Weapons of choice, some of those late war torpedo designs for the Cutlass and u/wing guns for the J7 or maybe something in the wings to line up with the twin fins. Perhaps when the payrise comes home I`ll get some and give it a try but not at £35GBP though. E-Bah where are ya.

Cheerz 
G

[gunfighter]

I got my 1/72 shinden last summer for only 10€, and it has been on the bottom of the stash for all this time. Sure a luft 46 build would fit nicely, but I wanted to paint it somehow in blue, so it might be a captured or copied US example. A couple of sidewinders is also an idea...

[dragon]

Of course, I also had the question floating in mind of "What if Kyushu continued to build aircraft?" and had thoughts of converting other Delta/Canard aircraft with JASDF equipment and engines, turning them into Japanese aircraft produced ostensibly by Kyushu.

So in the mid 1960s a young Aerospace engineering student named Elbert Leander "Burt" Rutan goes to Japan to do his post graduate work at Kyushu.  In 1970 he goes to work for the USAF at Edwards AFB....

If the above was true, it would go a long way in explaining our real time line and Rutan's genius.

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