MiG-23 and MiG-27 Flogger

[Bryan H.]

I'm in the process of building Rallymodellers Bristol/Mikoyan CF-127 Wendigo (Canadian MiG-27Ms sold to the RNZAF).  I don't think NZ will go for a radical redesign and will gravitate toward more practical/modest upgrades.  LERX's are possible, but the VG wings will be kept.  The engines will remain the Tumanskii engines that Orenda-built (and improved).  I also like the idea of having two smaller strakes under the tail vs. the one large folding one.  I've also got a Mirage F1 refuelling probe that is going on & a variety of small fins & bumps that will go on.



Two of the main problems I have right now are improving the number of hardpoints for increased payload and improving the look of the nose (the 1/48 ESCI MiG-27 kit's nose has an embarassing lack of detail).  Do any of ya'll have some suggestions on what to do with the nose (that are within my modeling abilities  ). 

Here's Rallymodeller's original thread... http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,8817.0/highlight,wheat+for+planes.html

Bryan

[dy031101]

Maybe take the MiG-23PD ("Faithless") as a basis, drop the liftjets, and have the airframe going through the same kind of evolution as MiG-21 did getting to Ye-152M.

(Big missiles on the wingtips...... I can't resist  )

[Taiidantomcat]

Flogger fitted with the Flankers' AL-31F engine.

[Aircav]

Would a Tornado nose radar fit on a Mig-23?

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Would a Tornado nose radar fit on a Mig-23?

Maybe if it were subjected to a bit of "scale-o-rama" to make it fit.  The MiG airframe is not as wide as the Tornado so it would be a tight fit.  Another option might be to consider using the nose section from a Mirage F.1, Mirage III, or Mirage 2000 to see how that would work.  If you went with the French flavored radar systems you might also have an opportunity to use the Super R530 and R550 Magic and give it some alternative markings for Togo or some other exotic location.

[Archibald]

Hmmm, the Cyranos series of multirole radars fitted to the IIIE and F-1CT maybe ?

As the soviets with the Mig-27 (or USAF with the Thud) the french found with the Mirage IIIE that a two-man crew was better for ground attack... hence the 2000D / N and the Antilope V.

Hmmm, a two-man Mig-23 with a better canopy (two man soviet canopies are generally ugly) and a 2000 nose, now that would look good!

[Weaver]

Hmmm - there's a few ideas on here that I like, and I've got an Academy MiG-23 to spare too....   

How about a Tornado-ised version as a sort of cheap supplement to the Su-24? Start with Jeff's stretched 2-seat forward fuselage (possibly with a Tornado canopy), then stretch the rear fuselage to maintain CofG, thereby giving it more fuel volume. Leave the engine alone (one thing the Flogger is NOT short of is thrust) but with it moved further back, you could cut the intakes back to under the wingroots in F-111 style. To be more capable than the Jaguarish MiG-27 it'd have to have terrain-following radar, so keep the -23 nose but re-scribe/paint a smaller radome onto it, and then add EO targeting lumps and bumps underneath.

[GTX]

A little known MiG competitor to the Su-24:



Regards,

Greg

[rallymodeller]

Re the big ventral fin: I did this for the Canadian MiGs project...



Mind you, it's an earlier MiG variant, but you get the idea.

Bryan, I'm glad my Kiwi Wendigo fired your imagination! I think you could possibly put swivelling pylons under the wings -- IIRC the 23/27 has provision for a fixed pylon under each wing so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

[ElectrikBlue]

A little known MiG competitor to the Su-24:
Regards,
Greg

Nice MiG-46, Greg.

Here's a little 3D sketch, hope you like it. 

Regards,

EB

[GTX]

Nice!

Regards,

Greg

[Sauragnmon]

Wow, Greg, that twin-engine twin-seat Flogger is seriously cool looking.  I'd be damn tempted to put that in plastic.  Sometime.  Damnit, these ideas they just keep filling up in my head!

[Taiidantomcat]

Cool "Fat Flogger" 

[GTX]

Maybe take the MiG-23PD ("Faithless") as a basis, drop the liftjets, and have the airframe going through the same kind of evolution as MiG-21 did getting to Ye-152M.

(Big missiles on the wingtips...... I can't resist  )

Maybe bash a MiG-23 and MiG-21 together and so an operational version of the MiG-23PD?  Perhaps as an alternative to the Yak-38?

Regards,

Greg

[Weaver]

It's trickier than it looks to bash up a MiG-23 and a MiG-21 to make a Faithless.  The wing was about 30% bigger than a MiG-21's, and the fuselage was a completely different shape to the MiG-23's: more like a Mirage III than anything. However, it wouldn't be that easy to use  a Mirage either, since the Faithless's intake trunks taper equally top and bottom whilst the Mirage's taper more at the top, and the's before you even get onto the mid-mounted wing vs. low-mounted wing.

You'd almost be better off splicing a shortened early MiG-21 fuselage apart at the front end and grafting the MiG-23 front in, although that still doesn't get around the wing-size problem.