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[jcf]

Pictured is the result of the classic collaboration of two great minds.
Prof. Anton Veeblefitzer and Dr. Kurt Tank.
PAV saw the potential of the FW-200 being developed into an eight engine' flying wing design.
After showing his blue prints to Dr. Tank, and his team, they immediately agreed to try the
new "flying wing" concept, and it proved to be an enormous success.
The white aircraft is an early civilian production version, purchased by Japan, and used
for trans-polar flights between Japan and Germany, etc.
The Luftwaffe militarized version shown here, is escorting the Japanese guest along the
coast of Norway, in order to ensure that enemy aircraft do not disturb the mission.


https://www.deviantart.com/jimbowyrick1/art/Veeblefitzer-Tank-VT-2000-Uber-Condor-835853448

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I saw that - and couldn't help wondering about the size of the thing. The Hummer isn't exactly small, stock. And this has more wheel base.

[ChernayaAkula]

Luftwaffe was actually supposed to get Huns, but this was vetoed by the then German chief of Luftwaffe who demanded a quantum leap rather than a step, and so Germany took the lead in the Starfighter procurement. So it's a whif very close to a possible reality.

I wonder if he was part of Lockheed's bribery scandal.

As far as I have been able to understand, general Steinhoff was not. Rather, the politicians seem to have been involved.

Steinhoff was involved? Interesting.  Didn't know the F-100 was even considered. All I read was that the F-100 was more or less immediately rejected as it was obvious that it'd be obsolescent soon.
The F-100 often comes up as a "shouldabeen" interim step between Thunderstreaks/Sabres and Starfighters as a way to flatten the learning/performance curve , which in turn was to result in fewer Starfighter losses. But if you look at the safety record of the Super Sabre (especially the early ones) and the actual reasons for Starfighter losses, then... nah. A too-steep learning/performance curve wasn't really the problem.

As for the bribery scandal.... It's kinda difficult with regards to Germany and Lockheed/the Starfighter. Money into the wrong hands may have been a thing - there is no hard evidence, as records regarding the Starfighter purchase had been destroyed prior to official investigations (*feigns-surprise* oh no!) -, but other reasons were more important. A bribe would've just been the cherry on the icing on the cake.
While nobody would've put in past then-minister of defence Franz-Josef Strauß to accept bribes (one political science book I read specifically called old-style corruption "System Strauß") ), Strauß had other reasons to go for the Starfighter. Icing and cake. The icing was license manufacture. License-building hundreds of cutting-edge fighters would be a considerable boost to the German (and European! - Strauß being influential in the forming of Airbus) aircraft industry, much of it located in Strauß' home state Bavaria. Yummy pork! The cake was Nukleare Teilhabe ("nuclear sharing"). Strauß desperately wanted to have a system capable of delivering nuclear weapons; even if they weren't German bombs. The French at the time would never have German Mirages (one of the three aircraft seriously considered) equipped with French nuclear bombs.

[Scotaidh]

This is awesome!  I learn more here than I did at school!  (and it's much more interesting...) 

[zenrat]

I learnt everything I know about the scandal from the LP Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters by Robert Calvert.

[jcf]

I learnt everything I know about the scandal from the LP Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters by Robert Calvert.

[jcf]

What I've always found hilarious about the "Lockheed" scandals is that the company
is the one that comes in for most of the criticism as if they were walking around with
bags of cash offering it to all and sundry.


The reality of state level industrial bribery is that it's usually the state players who
make veiled suggestions about accommodation, access and help with committees
and legislatures, where such bodies actually have a role. Pay to play, yet those who
pay the bribes are considered somehow more corrupt than those who accept the
money, as if they were innocents who gave in to temptation in a moment of weakness.


As Moritz says, the F-100 would have been a disaster for the Luftwaffe and would have
needed to be replaced in very short order, meanwhile sucking up monies better spent
on an aircraft more suited to the intended role - low-level tactical nuclear strike.

[Jesse220]

Pictured is the result of the classic collaboration of two great minds.
Prof. Anton Veeblefitzer and Dr. Kurt Tank.
PAV saw the potential of the FW-200 being developed into an eight engine' flying wing design.
After showing his blue prints to Dr. Tank, and his team, they immediately agreed to try the
new "flying wing" concept, and it proved to be an enormous success.
The white aircraft is an early civilian production version, purchased by Japan, and used
for trans-polar flights between Japan and Germany, etc.
The Luftwaffe militarized version shown here, is escorting the Japanese guest along the
coast of Norway, in order to ensure that enemy aircraft do not disturb the mission.


https://www.deviantart.com/jimbowyrick1/art/Veeblefitzer-Tank-VT-2000-Uber-Condor-835853448

Imagin if those where jet powered.

[Rheged]

What a huge target for a high-flying Mosquito  out of one of the North East of Scotland airfields.

Cries from his wingman......I don't care how big it is; it still only counts as one!!

[kerick]

Well, it's big enough they could both shoot at it at the same time! 

[zenrat]

Just yesterday I sorted a spare Condor fuselage into the parts box...

[Pellson]

As Moritz says, the F-100 would have been a disaster for the Luftwaffe and would have
needed to be replaced in very short order, meanwhile sucking up monies better spent
on an aircraft more suited to the intended role - low-level tactical nuclear strike.

While I by and large agree with your statements, I have to say that both the French and the Danes used their Huns for a long time and with pretty good results, judging from exercise reports. Had the NATO strategy been less obsessed with nukes and more with how to fight a practical war, then I suppose the F-100 could have been a formidable strike and CAS aircraft in its own right, as it was in Vietnam. And from my experience with German military during the Cold War, they were very very reluctant to let go of even an inch of their country if not forced away from it. So a few Jagdbombergeschwadern of Huns could very well have done.

That, however, does not take away the good idea of instead buying a radar equipped multi role fighter instead of the much more basic Hun.

Somewhere, I found numbers and even units for the Luftwaffe planned Hun force. Leave me to it for a bit, and I'll see.. 

[NARSES2]

What a huge target for a high-flying Mosquito  out of one of the North East of Scotland airfields.

Cries from his wingman......I don't care how big it is; it still only counts as one!!

It certainly brings new meaning to the phrase "walking your fire onto the target" 

[Old Wombat]

No need, just pull the trigger & you're bound to hit somewhere, you just need to watch the cannon shells & walk them onto whichever part of the target you wish to hit.

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No need, just pull the trigger & you're bound to hit somewhere, you just need to watch the cannon shells & walk them onto whichever part of the target you wish to hit.

How many seconds worth of shells do you have?