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Ed S

#15
January 28, 2011, 09:32:49 PM
Quote from: rickshaw on January 28, 2011, 08:49:56 PM
I assume the major visible difference between a F-5B and a F-5F was the nose shape?

The engines were more powerful, meaning slightly different exhausts.  The wing LERX were quite different, larger on the F.  Also, IIRC, the F was overall longer than the B.

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rickshaw

#16
January 29, 2011, 12:05:27 AM
Interestingly, I've found this review - http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/mod/us/trumpf5epreview.htm

Claims Trumpeter made an F-5E kit but I can't find any other reference to it anywhere.
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Nigel Bunker

#17
January 29, 2011, 01:33:34 AM
F-5B is about the same length as an F-5A/E but an F-5F is longer - it has basically had an extra cockpit fitted befing the normal cockpit, and the fuselage stretched to accomodate it.

I hope this helps - i cobbled it together from the net. In descending order F-5A, F-5B,F-5E, F-5F

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rickshaw

#18
January 29, 2011, 02:14:49 AM
Thanks thats a great help!  I presume they are all to the same scale?
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PR19_Kit

#19
January 29, 2011, 03:10:55 AM
Another one of those aircraft where the 2-seater looks miles better than the single seater.....
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P1127

#20
January 31, 2011, 08:48:53 AM Last Edit: January 31, 2011, 08:51:51 AM by P1127
Quote from: rickshaw on January 28, 2011, 08:49:56 PM
I assume the major visible difference between a F-5B and a F-5F was the nose shape?

Bit more than just the shape - the 'B' put the second canopy behind the pilot position of the original F-5A, the F-5F saw the forward fuselage extended to fit the second seat. The differences between the F-5A and E are considerable as well.

If you want to do a T-38 from an F-5B, the main changes are to the intake shape, the underfuselage (Flat on the T-38, bulged around the u/c bays on the F-5) and the undercarraige and wheels. I have an article on how to do it from FSM years ago.
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ChernayaAkula

#21
January 31, 2011, 12:24:05 PM
Quote from: rickshaw on January 29, 2011, 12:05:27 AM
Interestingly, I've found this review - http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/mod/us/trumpf5epreview.htm

Claims Trumpeter made an F-5E kit but I can't find any other reference to it anywhere.

Oh, the kit is real all right. A friend of mine has got one, but the canopy was a "short shot". The decals are better dumped as well. But the rest isn't too bad.
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#22
February 02, 2011, 07:41:43 PM
Now, to the Sukhoi Su11.

Which is better?

Leoman vacuform?
Leoman Resin?
Leoman short-run injection?
Amodel injected?

Are there any other candidates?

I assume that the Leoman ones are all variations on the same theme, with just the media changed.

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Daryl J.

#23
February 02, 2011, 09:30:15 PM
Who tooled KP's Su-11?

jcf

#24
February 02, 2011, 10:26:42 PM
Quote from: Daryl J. on February 02, 2011, 09:30:15 PM
Who tooled KP's Su-11?

I believe the Su series were their own. While KP has re-boxed Heller, many of the Central/Eastern European subjects were their own work.

BTW have you hard that American Eagles are going out of business? The closing sale started January 31 and goes to April 9.

rickshaw

#25
February 03, 2011, 02:00:15 AM
Quote from: Daryl J. on February 02, 2011, 09:30:15 PM
Who tooled KP's Su-11?

I wasn't aware they did one.  It was 1/72, as the others I mention are?  I know I didn't make it clear.
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Weaver

#26
February 03, 2011, 03:28:49 AM
Quote from: rickshaw on January 28, 2011, 05:38:48 PM

Oh, bugger.  Thats the one I've just bought two of, off Evilbay!  Oh, damn, caveat emptor.   I've read a couple of reviews of it and they seem to be OK.  One had an excellent set of pictures and there was no flaw in the canopy.  Perhaps you just got a bad one (fingers crossed)?

Well I got a bad two, but then they were together on the shelf in the shop so maybe they came from the same bad batch?

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Mossie

#27
February 03, 2011, 04:23:43 AM
Quote from: rickshaw on February 03, 2011, 02:00:15 AM
Quote from: Daryl J. on February 02, 2011, 09:30:15 PM
Who tooled KP's Su-11?

I wasn't aware they did one.  It was 1/72, as the others I mention are?  I know I didn't make it clear.

Don't think they have, they did a Su-9 (same kit as Maquette?) that you could bash but it's probably easier to go with the others.
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kitnut617

#28
February 03, 2011, 06:39:03 AM
Quote from: rickshaw on February 02, 2011, 07:41:43 PM
Now, to the Sukhoi Su11.

Which is better?

Leoman vacuform?
Leoman Resin?
Leoman short-run injection?
Amodel injected?

Are there any other candidates?

I assume that the Leoman ones are all variations on the same theme, with just the media changed.



According to the PAK-20 book, the outfits that made the Su-11 were AAA Models, Cramer-Craft, Elliot and Leoman, all in 1/72 scale.  Looking through the KP listing, it doesn't show an Su-11, Su-9 and Su-22's yes ---  AAA Models later became Leoman.  Looking through A-Model listing doesn't show an Su-11, Su-15 and Su-26, yes.  The book has been known to be in error sometimes.
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frank2056

#29
February 03, 2011, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on February 03, 2011, 06:39:03 AMLooking through A-Model listing doesn't show an Su-11, Su-15 and Su-26, yes.  The book has been known to be in error sometimes.

A-Model Su-11

I don't know how good (or bad) the A-model kit is, but it has to be far better than the Leoman trench digger's special.
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