USAF Wild Weasel HELP please...

Radish · February 23, 2011, 01:19:14 AM

Yes, 1/32nd kit.

I loved the XL....so good to look at.

GTX · February 23, 2011, 01:19:44 AM

Quote from: rickshaw on February 22, 2011, 04:03:02 AM
Quote from: GTX on February 21, 2011, 12:03:12 PM
F-111 - the RAAF trialled F-111s with HARM (see pics below), so I am sure the concept could have been applied to USAF F-111s.

Did the RAAF F-111s ever actually carry the HARM or was it just something they experimented with? I don't think I've ever seen an operational F-111 carrying one, just trials ones like your pictures.

No trials only. I also understand the RAAF trialled the HARM on the F/A-18A as well as the P-3C.

Regards,

Greg

Maverick · February 23, 2011, 02:22:55 AM

Orion seems like an odd choice for an ARM, but I guess you could fire them at ship's radar arrays.

Did we actually get HARM in service Greg?

Regards,

Mav

rickshaw · February 23, 2011, 03:23:31 AM

Quote from: Maverick on February 23, 2011, 02:22:55 AM
Orion seems like an odd choice for an ARM, but I guess you could fire them at ship's radar arrays.

Worked as a tactic (unintentionally) against HMAS HOBART off SVN.

Mossie · February 23, 2011, 04:37:56 AM

Quote from: Radish on February 22, 2011, 03:43:29 PM
Found this while surfing...potential?

Oh yes, most definately!

Radish · February 23, 2011, 09:40:43 AM

If memory serves me correctly, the 1/32nd F-16XL (was it by Ace or someone else?) has a fuselage the original F-16A length, and thus the planview of that delta wing is completely out.

The 1/72nd Monogram F-16XL is old and rare....I made one about 20 years ago in Gulf War Pink....wonder if I've still got it in the loft......

Mossie · February 23, 2011, 09:56:33 AM

I've got a LS 1/144 kits, it's supposed to be the most accurate. IIRC most other kits were created using standard F-16's dimensions which tended to knock the rest of the dimensions out.

Would love to see that desert pink XL if you still have it Rad!

kitnut617 · February 23, 2011, 10:18:35 AM

Quote from: Radish on February 23, 2011, 09:40:43 AM
The 1/72nd Monogram F-16XL is old and rare....I made one about 20 years ago in Gulf War Pink....wonder if I've still got it in the loft......

I've got a couple of these in the stash, one will be a twin-seater.

Radish · February 23, 2011, 10:35:31 AM

I'll look for the Pink XL...if I find it I'll take it to Crewe on Sunday.
I've the 1/144th one too....looks a beauty.

GTX · February 23, 2011, 12:03:37 PM

Quote from: Maverick on February 23, 2011, 02:22:55 AM

Did we actually get HARM in service Greg?

No.

Regards,

Greg

ChernayaAkula · February 23, 2011, 04:34:17 PM

Quote from: Maverick on February 23, 2011, 02:22:55 AM
Orion seems like an odd choice for an ARM, but I guess you could fire them at ship's radar arrays.
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That's the idea!

Lob HARMs at them so they'll be deaf and blind. There was a thread on ARC that said, in the Cold War, Hornets configured for anti-shipping missions would have carried one Harpoon and a HARM. German Tornadoes also use HARMs for anti-shipping missions. AG 51 took over anti-shipping missions from MFG 2 when the latter was disbanded. Initially using both Kormoran and HARM in that role, AG 51 ceased training with Kormorans a couple of years ago.

Weaver · February 23, 2011, 04:45:29 PM

Quote from: ChernayaAkula on February 23, 2011, 04:34:17 PM
Quote from: Maverick on February 23, 2011, 02:22:55 AM
Orion seems like an odd choice for an ARM, but I guess you could fire them at ship's radar arrays.
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That's the idea! Lob HARMs at them so they'll be deaf and blind. There was a thread on ARC that said, in the Cold War, Hornets configured for anti-shipping missions would have carried one Harpoon and a HARM. German Tornadoes also use HARMs for anti-shipping missions. AG 51 took over anti-shipping missions from MFG 2 when the latter was disbanded. Initially using both Kormoran and HARM in that role, AG 51 ceased training with Kormorans a couple of years ago.

Plus RAF Buccs would have used anti-radar AS.37 MARTELs in the anti-ship role. The standard approach seems to have been to lob two AS.37s at the target to blind it, then close in and finish it off with a single TV-guided AJ.168 (the fourth pylon being taken by the latter's datalink pod). Nimrods were theoretically capable of using MARTEL, but I don't think it was ever cleared operationally.

KJ_Lesnick · February 23, 2011, 04:53:45 PM

That F-16XL is fantastic

Geoff · February 23, 2011, 04:58:49 PM

There was also a EF-4C Wild Weasel II, about 36 got built.

pyro-manic · February 23, 2011, 05:09:23 PM

HARM seems an odd choice for anti-ship work. It hasn't got an especially large warhead - 66kg according to wikipedia. Compare that to Martel (150kg), Sea Eagle (230kg), Harpoon (221kg), Kormoran (165/220kg) and Exocet (165kg) (never mind the monster Russian AShMs) and it seems like it wouldn't be much use for actually sinking anything.