They want what for it?

Started by rickshaw, March 12, 2011, 05:24:33 AM

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scooter

Quote from: zenrat on February 22, 2018, 02:55:12 AM
It would be impossible to whiff as well.
Imagine the scene.  Our erstwhile Mr Spackman is all set to cut into it to attach the longer wings when...

"I don't think you want to do that Kit..."

:o
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: zenrat on February 22, 2018, 02:55:12 AM
It would be impossible to whiff as well.
Imagine the scene.  Our erstwhile Mr Spackman is all set to cut into it to attach the longer wings when...

"I don't think you want to do that Kit..."

:o


;D ;D ;D ;D

I'd just have to pull a few boards out first then.

Rather like being back at work actually.  ;D

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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 21, 2018, 07:43:13 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on February 21, 2018, 05:48:03 AM

Plus in the UK we have to remember the fall the £ has seen in the last 18 months or so.


But not THAT much! A similar sized Revell An-124 costs less than a 1/3 of that amount.

A completely meaningless comparison, size has bugger-all to do with anything.
Also, unlike Revell, Moebius is a very small company with an enthusiasts
customer base, a limited catalog, and, again unlike Revell, no huge stock
of old moulds they can run to generate cash flow.
Anyhow it's $159.95 at CultTVman, and similarly priced at other US outlets.

PR19_Kit

Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on February 22, 2018, 01:53:26 PM

A completely meaningless comparison, size has bugger-all to do with anything.
Also, unlike Revell, Moebius is a very small company with an enthusiasts
customer base, a limited catalog, and, again unlike Revell, no huge stock
of old moulds they can run to generate cash flow.
Anyhow it's $159.95 at CultTVman, and similarly priced at other US outlets.


I beg to differ.

In any case I was comparing the Revell An-124 with the Roden C-5, both of which are similar sized and the same scale. And, I'd suggest, are pointed at the same market.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

rickshaw

Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 22, 2018, 04:22:52 AM
Quote from: zenrat on February 22, 2018, 02:55:12 AM
It would be impossible to whiff as well.
Imagine the scene.  Our erstwhile Mr Spackman is all set to cut into it to attach the longer wings when...

"I don't think you want to do that Kit..."

:o


;D ;D ;D ;D

I'd just have to pull a few boards out first then.

Rather like being back at work actually.  ;D



Why pull boards when you have a nice, big, red, shiny, stop button on the lower left side of the panel you can push, Kit?    :thumbsup:
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PR19_Kit

Because that just shuts down the hydraulics, it doesn't stop the electronics working.

As I've found to my cost more than once.  ;D
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

rickshaw

Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 22, 2018, 10:24:46 PM
Because that just shuts down the hydraulics, it doesn't stop the electronics working.

As I've found to my cost more than once.  ;D

Ah, but if the hydraulics are stopped, what can the electronics do?  Not much, I suspect.   Electronics rarely "burn out" if there isn't sufficient voltage applied.  Cutting the hydraulics neuters the machine.  Same for HAL  Cutting it's access to the control systems means it can't hurt us...  ;)
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: rickshaw on February 23, 2018, 06:18:01 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 22, 2018, 10:24:46 PM
Because that just shuts down the hydraulics, it doesn't stop the electronics working.

As I've found to my cost more than once.  ;D

Ah, but if the hydraulics are stopped, what can the electronics do?  Not much, I suspect.   Electronics rarely "burn out" if there isn't sufficient voltage applied.  Cutting the hydraulics neuters the machine.  Same for HAL  Cutting it's access to the control systems means it can't hurt us...  ;)


To delve even deeper into the intricacies of servo-hydraulics, the Big Red Button shuts down the main, high flow hydraulics, but the pilot lines are still at high pressure until the manifolds are closed off manually. While there's not enough power in the pilot lines to apply any forces to the specimen they can still drench you in oil if a hose blows or you undo the wrong fitting.  :banghead:

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Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

AS.12

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Quote from: NARSES2 on February 21, 2018, 05:48:03 AM
Basic law of supply and demand, if people are prepared to pay the price then it will be sold at that price. If they aren't then the price will drop.

But that's seldom how the market works nowadays.  All that the retailer needs is a "whale" ( their term, not mine ) or two with more money than sense and they can sell well above market-fulfilling price and still make their margin.

Meanwhile, the majority of the market remains unfulfilled.

We see this in the photography world all the time.  Hobby wildlife photographers are crying-out for a 600mm f6.3 prime lens, but Canon and Nikon are only making much bigger f4 lenses which they price at $15,000+.  They sell those to corporate customers and hobby "whales" and make stupendous profit doing so.  The rest of us have to do without because even in volume they couldn't match the margins with a lighter, cheaper lens.

.

NARSES2

Quote from: AS.12 on February 24, 2018, 01:58:24 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on February 21, 2018, 05:48:03 AM
Basic law of supply and demand, if people are prepared to pay the price then it will be sold at that price. If they aren't then the price will drop.

But that's seldom how the market works nowadays.  All that the retailer needs is a "whale" ( their term, not mine ) or two with more money than sense and they can sell well above market-fulfilling price and still make their margin.



True. There's also the old saying "if you really want something, you will pay for it. If you don't you won't". I must admit I find that I really don't understand how the market economy works nowadays, not that I ever really did, but at least I had some understanding back then.
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zenrat

Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 23, 2018, 09:37:29 PM
Quote from: rickshaw on February 23, 2018, 06:18:01 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 22, 2018, 10:24:46 PM
Because that just shuts down the hydraulics, it doesn't stop the electronics working.

As I've found to my cost more than once.  ;D

Ah, but if the hydraulics are stopped, what can the electronics do?  Not much, I suspect.   Electronics rarely "burn out" if there isn't sufficient voltage applied.  Cutting the hydraulics neuters the machine.  Same for HAL  Cutting it's access to the control systems means it can't hurt us...  ;)


To delve even deeper into the intricacies of servo-hydraulics, the Big Red Button shuts down the main, high flow hydraulics, but the pilot lines are still at high pressure until the manifolds are closed off manually. While there's not enough power in the pilot lines to apply any forces to the specimen they can still drench you in oil if a hose blows or you undo the wrong fitting.  :banghead:

Ask me how I know this......(© Zenrat and Chronic)

There is also the peace of mind that comes from knowing it can't start again until you, and only you want it to.
For example, when one has ones arm up to the shoulder in the impeller of a diesel powered 6" centrifugal pump one feels a lot more comfortable if the ignition keys are in ones pocket.  Thoughts of what would happen should it start up still cross ones mind though.
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Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

Rheged

Always have the fuse/ignition key/igniter unit/ valve key  in your pocket BEFORE commencing that sort of task.
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scooter

Quote from: Rheged on February 24, 2018, 10:02:23 AM
Always have the fuse/ignition key/igniter unit/ valve key  in your pocket BEFORE commencing that sort of task.

Padlock key as well, if you've locked it out.
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