C-130 "strange" variants .... need help !!

[Tophe]

(from my friend Paul, from Air Revue 6/1960 - I translate from French)

SUPER HERCULES
The Lockheed GL 207-42 is the most recent evolution of what was previously called "Super Hercules". With 4 JT3D-11 turbofans, it is proposed to the MATS as high-speed cargo. The payload would be 77,000 lb. The price would be $5,800,000 apiece for 50 copies, $4,300,000 apiece for 145 copies.


(Was that another C-141 candidate?)
(Coming tomorrow : Hercules Junior...)

[elmayerle]

(from my friend Paul, from Air Revue 6/1960 - I translate from French)

SUPER HERCULES
The Lockheed GL 207-42 is the most recent evolution of what was previously called "Super Hercules". With 4 JT3D-11 turbofans, it is proposed to the MATS as high-speed cargo. The payload would be 77,000 lb. The price would be $5,800,000 apiece for 50 copies, $4,300,000 apiece for 145 copies.


(Was that another C-141 candidate?)
(Coming tomorrow : Hercules Junior...)

I would suspect that the C-141 derived from such studies. I've no proof, but it seems plasuible and the time is right.  The C-141, afterall, does use JT3D's under their military designation of TF33.

[Tophe]

I would suspect that the C-141 derived from such studies. I've no proof, but it seems plasuible and the time is right.

Thanks Evan to enlighten the subject. Looking back, I feel rather stupid : I had forgotten that the C-141 was a Lockheed plane... The main difference is the T-tail added by a US cousin of our dear JHM probably.

[Tophe]

Well, I didn't want to present both news the same day, for visitors to see the first without jumping directly to the last, but as Evan has answered, this Super-Hercules will not be ignored completely, that would have been too bad. So I include today what I have prepared for tomorrow :
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(From my friend Paul – from Air Revue – I cut/translate from French)

HERCULES vs TRANSALL
 The US argument was that 4 engines on the C-130 Hercules was safer than 2 on the Transall C.160. The French and German answered that the C-130 was too heavy and costly. The US then proposed a twin-engine...
HERCULES JUNIOR project GL-274-3
          (reading line titles: )
Cargo Hold
   Length without rear slope
   Length of the rear slope
   Length
   Height
   Volume without rear slope
Weight
   At take off
   Maximum payload
   Range with maximum payload
   Payload with maximum fuel
   Cruise speed
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I am not sure (and Google does not help me much) but I remember a civilian Hercules (L-120?) all white, actually built (but nobody ordered), with maybe some silver and blue, and maybe 2 engines, all is blurred in my memory and I don't know where to look in all my books and magazines. If nobody is interested, let us forget that... If somebody remembers clearly, let him/her show/explain us...
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I hope Deino who strated this topic and provide us with great pictures, will appreciate Paul's efforts especially for him, mentionned twice in his mail.

[TsrJoe]

http://groups.msn.com/TSR-2ResearchGroup/l...0khercules.msnw

does anyone out there have anything on the tyne engined variant as originally proposed to the RAF.

happy modelling, cheers, joe    

[Tophe]

I do remember the proposed floatplane version

From Lockheed Aircraft since 1913 by R.J.Francillon, Putnam Books :

[TsrJoe]

...as well as the Lockheed HOW. (Hercules On Water) project...more recently there was a proposal to fit twin floats to the latest variants. I have seen mention of this in Flight and prev Avition week issues as well as an artists impression...ill see what i can find...


cheers, joe    

[TsrJoe]

from evan...

Well, one can always do the BAC 222 variant. There is also one I've seen described only once, in a display at the 1972 Turin Air Show, a v/stol one with four Pegasus.


waw...iv never seen that one...anyone out there with any more details...


cool...cheers, joe    

[Jschmus]

I knew, if I looked hard enough, I might turn up some info on these or related projects.  Text is in German (which I don't read), but there is an image of the C-130 amphibian:

Lockheed Amphibian

I also found this:

C-130 Float Plane

[overscan]

Squadron-Signal "C-130 In Action" has some pics of derivatives:


L-400 twin engine


"VLS"


"WBS"

Sorry about the cropping, but this was from a scanned copy and the bottom of the page is missing...

[elmayerle]

from evan...

Well, one can always do the BAC 222 variant. There is also one I've seen described only once, in a display at the 1972 Turin Air Show, a v/stol one with four Pegasus.


waw...iv never seen that one...anyone out there with any more details...


cool...cheers, joe  

Joe, sending my memory back into the "files" from 32 years back is a bit chancy.  As I remember the Pegasus engines were in individual pods, but I can't remember if they were on the wing, as were the Pegasi on the Do.31 or if they were on pylons.  Lockheed had a drawing as part of their display, but that's the only place I've ever seen it.

[elmayerle]

http://groups.msn.com/TSR-2ResearchGroup/l...0khercules.msnw

does anyone out there have anything on the tyne engined variant as originally proposed to the RAF.

happy modelling, cheers, joe  

Tyne-engined variant is the BAC 222 and I seem to remember that Project Cancelled had a three-view of it. It either used the extra power available with the Tyne's or some auxiliary power source to drive compressors for fully blown flaps for advanced stol performance.

[Tophe]

L-400 twin engine

Thanks to correct and show us, not L-120 but actually twin-engine, I had not dreamed... Anyway, here the dreamers are welcome and this is great.

Paul directed me to a new source : "Bell Aircraft" (A. Pelletier, Putnam Books):
<<DESIGN D-190
Designed in 1959, the D-190 was to be an Air Rescue System using the ducted fan concept. It was to be fitted under a specially modified Lockheed C-130 Hercules launch aircraft.>>

[overscan]

I've got the 1975 edition of Project Cancelled, it describes BAC.222 but with no illustrations.

[Tophe]

I've got the 1975 edition of Project Cancelled, it describes BAC.222 but with no illustrations.

The 1986 edition also. Sorry...