Me-2262 Schnellerbomber

sequoiaranger · October 25, 2011, 08:40:18 AM

As the Third Reich crumbles, and the Luftwaffe and Goering are continuing to "fail" him, Hitler feels that "things need to be shaken up". Hitler decides that the old paradigm of Heinkel making bombers and Messerschmitt making fighters has gotten both complacent. The Luftwaffe needs an injection of new energy, so Hitler proclaims that from now on, Heinkel will make fighters and Messerschmitt will make bombers. Use existing components as much as possible, and do it quickly. Heinkel comes up with the He-1062 "Molch" fighters, and Messerschmitt came up with the Me-2262. Using the glass-nosed Me-262 variant, the two-seat night fighter variant, and a drawing-board prototype, a stretched-and-expanded four-jet bomber is produced:

I will be away for a month on extended vacation, then need to build my brother's Power Wagon truck, and THEN will get to this build. This is a heads-up for where my head is going!

flappydaffy · October 25, 2011, 08:43:47 AM

too bad we will have to wait $:-\$ $:-\$ will you be producing the 4 engine version as well??

sequoiaranger · October 25, 2011, 08:50:23 AM

>...will you be producing the 4 engine version as well?<

The proposed Me-2262 *IS* four-engined! Can't see the other jet outlet in the picture (big, dark oval inlet), but this stormbird will have the sunken-in-the-fuselage engines AS WELL AS the typical underslung wing engines. Ergo four.

Wing root extensions from an Su-25 will allow the plane a wider-track undercarriage in addition to greater wingspan. Bombs will be "Sturmvogel"-like, but in tandem pairs under the extended forward fuselage. Wing-root drop tanks, too. Maybe rear-gun defense (NOT remote---more on that later).

flappydaffy · October 25, 2011, 08:53:28 AM

my bad, i'm missed the wingroot engine

PACOPEPE · October 25, 2011, 12:01:30 PM

I like Me 262 and all its possible versions (like dumaniac; i remember now).

Your idea is very interesting; night figther/bomber using the glass nose and two-seat (like the Ar 234), but; have you thought of two engines -side by side- in each wing root?.

Regards
Fran

dumaniac · October 26, 2011, 01:10:46 AM

hi All

I like the idea of twin inboard engines - like the jet air liner of the 1960's - the Vicsount or something similar - lengthen the 262 fuselage for fuel tanks and bomb bays (one back and one front of the wheel well for balance) - sounds like a Luft46 coming on

cheers Bernie

PACOPEPE · October 26, 2011, 06:07:36 AM

Quote from: dumaniac on October 26, 2011, 01:10:46 AM
hi All

I like the idea of twin inboard engines - like the jet air liner of the 1960's - the Vicsount or something similar - lengthen the 262 fuselage for fuel tanks and bomb bays (one back and one front of the wheel well for balance) - sounds like a Luft46 coming on

cheers Bernie

Exactly Bernie, like the british BAE NIMROD.

Fran

sequoiaranger · October 26, 2011, 08:07:02 AM

>lengthen the 262 fuselage for fuel tanks and bomb bays (one back and one front of the wheel well for balance)<

Mine won't have bomb-bays, more like an extended "Sturmvogel". I had thought of doing a 1/72 "bomber" from a 1/48 Me-262, which would have had a large enough fuselage to have "bomb-bays", but the regular 262 is still rather small. I will widen the u/c track which MIGHT have enabled a small bomb-bay (like the Ar-234?), but this 2262 will have four thirsty jet engines to feed fuel and will need the fuselage room!! I will most likely have two drop tanks in the wing root, and tandem rows (I am thinking three) of twin bomb-racks underneath, reminding one of a lactating Daschund with puppies to feed!

I am thinking two forward-shooting MG's, too, one on either side of the glass nose. Not the 30mm cannon, but SOMETHING with which to shoot. I *MAY* make mine Finnish, just because I like the blue swastikas, and have no plans for any Finnish whifs otherwise. The camo and markings will evolve in my head while I am away (leave this morning for Barcelona!)

dumaniac · October 27, 2011, 12:30:56 AM

I like the nimrod approach - have to look for some second hand kits in the swap and sell

cheers

Bernie

sequoiaranger · November 25, 2011, 02:53:43 PM

As you can see from the pic, there is a *LOT* of work left to do! But I did MAJOR cutting on all 6 donor kits!

I may shorten it a bit to conform to my original specs, but you can see the relationship to the Me-262 shell in the background. I will cut down the three-seat cockpit to two, with rear-defense guns. Vert and Horiz tailplanes will likely be enlarged slightly. And of course it will have two more engines, in the traditional spot on the wings.

Here are my source materials. There were TWO Jo-Han kits, from which I widenened the front part of one, and narrowed the back part of another.

Then here is a partially and crudely photoshopped end-on view. The wing jets will look different, being the "standard" Me-262 jet pods, but the basic form is there. Wingspan goes from roughly 41 feet for the Me-262 to 54 feet for the 2262.

Tophe · November 27, 2011, 02:41:39 AM

Quote from: sequoiaranger on November 25, 2011, 02:53:43 PM
you can see the relationship to the Me-262 shell in the background.

Oh! You could have built it this way! With a Me262 fuselage at mid-span, asymmetrically on the starboard wing, no? Is this far too much crazy? Aren't we what-if modellers?

sequoiaranger · November 27, 2011, 07:44:24 AM

>Oh! You could have built it this way! With a Me262 fuselage at mid-span, asymmetrically on the starboard wing, no? Is this far too much crazy? Aren't we what-if modellers?<

Heh, Heh. Sorry to get you all excited, Tophe! But yes, it WOULD be crazy! The assymetric drag would have the plane flying in circles!

I am going to "double up" on the Jo-Han tail (white), starting a "new" tail about where the present slot for the horizontal stabs are, extending it upwards, then snipping the rudder from both and adding a taller one from....maybe an Ar-234 or something that will take up the added room. The tail will then have the LOOK of the Me-262, but be larger. I am using "Frogfoot" horizontal tailplanes, with Me-262 extensions, again for slight increase in wing area, but the Me-262 LOOK.

I'm now looking for appropriate beefier landing gear, and...anyone got a spare 1/72 FROG/DRAGON Do-335 nosegear-and-wheel?

Since the last photo was taken I have decided to reduce the fuselage length a bit. I will also shorten the three-seat canopy to two, add the guns, tall tail, and "jets" for a new "photo". Considering the pic below it with the actual Me-262, the new Me-2262 still DOES look like a 262, eh? Crude photoshopped update pic below:

Tophe · November 28, 2011, 10:23:17 AM

Quote from: sequoiaranger on November 27, 2011, 07:44:24 AM
Heh, Heh. Sorry to get you all excited, Tophe! But yes, it WOULD be crazy! The assymetric drag would have the plane flying in circles!

Wonderful for a merry-go-round, yes!

No, seriously: do it your own way, it is very interesting also

dumaniac · November 28, 2011, 11:27:29 PM

Yes - anything goes in Luft46

I look forward to this progressing a bit more - I work in 48 scale - there could be lots of challenges in 48 - particularly storage of the finished product

Bernie in Orange

sequoiaranger · November 29, 2011, 09:48:05 AM

>I work in 48 scale - there could be lots of challenges in 48 - particularly storage of the finished product<

My Me-2262 has only a 53 foot wingspan, so it should only take up as much room on a shelf as a Bf-110, He-219, or Dornier 217.