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Started by Spey_Phantom, January 23, 2012, 09:06:40 AM

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PR19_Kit

This'll get a bit historical, but in 1926 Billy Budd and William Morris formed the Pressed Steel Co. ( my first employers some years later) and the 'B-C post' terminology was used even then for 4 door cars. I know this because my first father-in-law Fred was their Employee #2 after William Morris, and he had his own parking space right next to their HQ building, even though he never drove.  ;D  (I used his space a few times too.....)

But that 'B-C Post' business came from Budd, an American, who'd developed many of the pressing techniques in  the USA. But umpteen years later they were using the 'B Post' terminology at Ford in Essex when they were one of my customers in the late 90s, and Ford are American of course.

So I've no idea how or when it really started to change.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Wardukw

Yep same here Kit ...guess it's one of those terms which just started somewhere by somebody and it's been in use ever since.
It's like I started working on cars when I was 8..so that would be around 76/77 and it was there then ..Dad used to call em that ..fact rebuilt my very first engine when I was 8  <_<
With dad's help of course  :thumbsup:
Fact my first over head cam engine too..i think it was a Morris Marina or a Mk 3 or 4 Cortina  ;D
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

PR19_Kit

Quote from: Wardukw on September 27, 2023, 09:48:44 AMFact my first over head cam engine too..i think it was a Morris Marina or a Mk 3 or 4 Cortina  ;D

Hmmm, not sure if either of, them were OHC engines in the UK, but maybe they fitted different ones down in NZ.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Wardukw

Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 27, 2023, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: Wardukw on September 27, 2023, 09:48:44 AMFact my first over head cam engine too..i think it was a Morris Marina or a Mk 3 or 4 Cortina  ;D

Hmmm, not sure if either of, them were OHC engines in the UK, but maybe they fitted different ones down in NZ.
Kit the Mk3 and 4s here had two engines to choose from..a 1600 and 2.0ltr ..both OHC engines from the pinto .
The 2.oltr was the most common sized engine ..over in Aussie you could a Mk4 and 5 with 4.1 ltr Ford Falcon engines in em ...yes a great fun car to shred tyres with  ;D
To this day I still want one 😀
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

PR19_Kit

Oh right, thanks. Thinking back the 2.0 litre Mk 3s and 4s did have the Pinto engine here too, but the 1.6 was the old Kent crossflow unit. They also used the Essex V6 in up market versions, and one of our guys had a Mk 5 V6 Ghia Estate that was pretty reasonable.  ;D

While working in S Africa I rented a Mk 5 V6 pickup there, they called it a 'bakkie', that was a HOOT when it was empty! Oversteer even when parked!  ;D
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

zenrat

Good luck finding an Aussie market Cortina that hasn't been shaken to bits.  They couldn't cope with our roads.  They were not built as tough as the locally designed Falcons.

Mrs z's mum had an Aussie built 1600 Capri.  Green with dealer added gold pinstripes and super roo stickers.  Body was similar to the UK Mk1 Capri but had subtle differences.
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

PR19_Kit

Cortinas were always built light, at least UK built ones, where they were designed.

We had an early 4 door Mk 1 at Pressed Steel to examine to see how it worked and how strong it was, and I did the torsion and beam tests on it. Most cars of the period, the Farina BMC Morris Oxfords, and Hillman Minx Series IIIs, were around 5000 lbft/degree torsionally, and the Cortina was around 2200! Less than half! When the Engineering Dept. got my report they said I must have done it wrong, and I had to do it all again! Still came up with the same answer though.  :-X

The car was so thin, the roof was made from .028" steel rather than the .032" of 'normal' cars, that it oil-canned downwards when we pulled a light vacuum on it in the dust test chamber! I had to get in and kick the roof back out while lying on my back across the back seat!

Light it may have been, but strong it was NOT!
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Wardukw

Several factors on why the Cortina was light Kit..first of course cheaper to make 🙄
Secondly there were benefits to this lightness..speed..nothing better than a light car with a gutless..so to speck engine ..the 3.0ltr V6 models could move quite well for that reason alone.
I've had several Essex V6 powered cars one was a engine swapped Mk5 from a 2ltr and the others were Capris ...not a powerful engine really ..as you can imagine those engines didn't stay there long  ;)
Racing is where the Cortinas shined ..they've got a pretty history in saloon car racing alot to do with being light right from the get go .😁
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

PR19_Kit

Yeah, I've some terrific pics of Jim Clark 3 wheeling around Bottom Bend at Brands Hatch in a Lotus Cortina. But the real reason they made them light was because it was cheaper, so they could sell them better, and they did of course.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

NARSES2

Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2023, 08:03:02 AMCortinas were always built light, at least UK built ones, where they were designed.


My first and only car was a Mk 1 Cortina. 17th ? birthday present from my Brother. This was just before it was discovered I'd be absolutely lethal behind a wheel  :angel:

Never owned a car since, bought a few, but never owned one.
Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

Wardukw

Quote from: NARSES2 on September 29, 2023, 06:01:33 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2023, 08:03:02 AMCortinas were always built light, at least UK built ones, where they were designed.


My first and only car was a Mk 1 Cortina. 17th ? birthday present from my Brother. This was just before it was discovered I'd be absolutely lethal behind a wheel  :angel:

Never owned a car since, bought a few, but never owned one.
I've honestly lost count of how many cars I've owned Chris 😆
I do however remember my first car ..a Mk 1 Escort GT ..1600cc but it was converted by the last owner in a automatic which was OK.
My dad and I had other ideas later on  :wacko:
We turned that into a weapon of a car  :thumbsup:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Dizzyfugu

The fan club in the East took (ahain? not certain) notice of my Mi-62 thing (translated link):

https://alternathistory-ru.translate.goog/alternativnyj-shturmovoj-vertolyot-mi-62-rossiya/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

And, nicely, with credits.  :thumbsup:

Old Wombat

Well! Well! Credits? That makes a change! ;)  ;D  :thumbsup:
Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!

"The purpose of all War is Peace" - St. Augustine

veritas ad mortus veritas est

PR19_Kit

And very GOOD credits too.  :thumbsup: 
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

kerick

Nice to finally get some credit.
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
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