The Radish Blog

[NARSES2]

Good to see you back Rad

or a Red/White/Black fin flash? Might be fun.

That would be interesting 

A non Nazi Nationalist Germany in the 30's would certainly attempt to regain full control over all its territories (the Rhineland for instance), not so sure about territory it had lost to Poland and Czechoslovakia. Might try and negotiate first and then depending on the results of those take farther action.

I think there might be a divide and conquer policy in place, as there was to some extent within the Nazi regime, when it came to negotiating with Britain and France. Certainly and interesting scenario and might push any conflict back by 5/10 years ?

[Rheged]

How nice to see that you are back in circulation here.  A non-National Socialist  jingoistic Germany  in the 1930's  is a fascinating departure point from the historical time-line.   I await with eager anticipation your  musings on this matter.

[kitbasher]

How nice to see that you are back in circulation here.  A non-National Socialist  jingoistic Germany  in the 1930's  is a fascinating departure point from the historical time-line.   I await with eager anticipation your  musings on this matter.

And Weimar not?  Geddit?

[Rheged]

How nice to see that you are back in circulation here.  A non-National Socialist  jingoistic Germany  in the 1930's  is a fascinating departure point from the historical time-line.   I await with eager anticipation your  musings on this matter.

And Weimar not?  Geddit?

GROAN!!

[Radish]

Remembering that Germany had it's new Luftwaffe training in Russia from 1928, and with pressure mounting fron a "new" Nationalist Germany, I'm sure Britain and France, and others, would "facilitate" some German expansion, just like they did in the '30s, to avoid another conflict.

[jcf]

One factor that would need to be addressed in a non-Nazi conservative nationalist Germany is
that the party/parties in power would need to sideline the monarchists and co-opt as much of
the Junker class as possible. Any attempt to install a Kaiser would be met with stiff opposition,
internally and externally.

The biggest timeline difference would be no attempted war of conquest and extermination to
the East.

As to markings, probably a retention of the late-war Balkankreuz, I'd go for the skinny version,
and a tri-colour fin-flash.

[Radish]

Yes, no expansion eastwards, and with possibly no involvement in support of Franco?
Would there be links to Mussolini? Both Franco and Mussolini were Fascists, but Fascism appeared to be acceptable, even us British had supporters/groups too. It's the demonic figure of Hitler that would be missing, perhaps one of the early assassination attempts succeeded?
Perhaps any conflict, military rumbles might have been minor, leaving most of Europe untouched, for a while at least, as nationalism can be a stimulant for aggression and further conflict can't be assured or necessarily avoided.
In which case, what about the Far East War involving Japan?
If there's no major European war, what about NATO? Would it ever be formed? I suppose that depends on the USSR.
What about Europe? If there's no war, it wouldn't be "re-built", and therefore no Economic Union?
Questions, possibilities.....

[scooter]

In which case, what about the Far East War involving Japan?

Its possible, considering they were already fighting China.  But it probably would have remained only a regional conflict, since Tokyo would be in a position to negotiate for raw materials with Dutch, French, British, etc. after Washington cut them off instead of invading French Indo-China, NEI, British Pacific possessions. 

Which also begs the question- would Pearl Harbor still happen?  And if so, would the US be stupid enough to follow through with War Plan Orange and give the IJN their Kantai Kessen?  And let's not forget about the lessons learned by the USN in both submarine and anti-submarine operations during the Battle of the Atlantic, which helped Nimitz form his overall naval strategy.

[NARSES2]

How nice to see that you are back in circulation here.  A non-National Socialist  jingoistic Germany  in the 1930's  is a fascinating departure point from the historical time-line.   I await with eager anticipation your  musings on this matter.

And Weimar not?  Geddit?

I had to find the "little book" but having dug it out your in it 

[scooter]

How nice to see that you are back in circulation here.  A non-National Socialist  jingoistic Germany  in the 1930's  is a fascinating departure point from the historical time-line.   I await with eager anticipation your  musings on this matter.

And Weimar not?  Geddit?

I had to find the "little book" but having dug it out your in it 

Of society offenders who might well be underground,
              And who never would be missed

[NARSES2]

How nice to see that you are back in circulation here.  A non-National Socialist  jingoistic Germany  in the 1930's  is a fascinating departure point from the historical time-line.   I await with eager anticipation your  musings on this matter.

And Weimar not?  Geddit?

I had to find the "little book" but having dug it out your in it 

Of society offenders who might well be underground,
              And who never would be missed

Not sure about that ?  I just call it the "naughty boy's register" 

Was thinking of moving to a yellow/red card system, but that would probably lead to the inevitable introduction of VAR 

[scooter]

How nice to see that you are back in circulation here.  A non-National Socialist  jingoistic Germany  in the 1930's  is a fascinating departure point from the historical time-line.   I await with eager anticipation your  musings on this matter.

And Weimar not?  Geddit?

I had to find the "little book" but having dug it out your in it 

Of society offenders who might well be underground,
              And who never would be missed

Not sure about that ?  I just call it the "naughty boy's register" 

Koko, the Lord High Executioner's list from G&S's Mikado (Groucho Marx as Koko doing his version)

[jcf]

The Kantai Kessen is unlikely in any scenario as it had more to do with the mythology of
naval warfare, as promoted by Mahan and others, and the glorious victory of Tsushima
than it did with reality. It ignored that the "decisive" battles of the past had as much to do with
the weaknesses of the loser and luck as it did with any supposed superiority of the "winner".
The muddied, and frankly bumbling, battles of WWI were a better forecast of the likely course
of steel-era capital ship combats, especially as the battleship mafia would probably keep the
carriers sidelined. 

The thing about Italian Fascism, and the "Fascism Lite" of Spain - Nationalist Spain doesn't
really fit easily into any of the usual political boxes, is that both were local and insular. Unlike
Hitler and the Nazis they had no grand goals of European conquest, the Spanish focus was
completely internal, and the Italian was a fantasy of being Rome redux with the only external
concern being retaining and, if possible, expanding their African colonies and settling small
territorial disputes with their neighbors. Without Mussolini's need to keep up with the Joneses
in relation to Hitler it's doubtful that any of his big misadventures would have occurred.

[Radish]

And in other news.....
Having filled 2 books of "colouring in" with aircraft in a range of total silliness, almost all WW2 apart from a MiG-15, just over 60 in total, over around 6 weeks, I've now started on a colouring book of AFVs.

Then.....there's another "idea"....aircraft flown by "the Dead."
GHOST AIRCRAFT.....starting with, naturally, an F-4E Phantom II. I actually began this concept about 18 months ago, but it needs finishing!!

[Radish]

Colouring in AFVs, as a precursor to the actual modelling, three options immediately come to mind:

1. Using German-produced vehicles to equip The Panzer Girls.
2. Again, using German-produced vehicles, build equipment to serve alongside Giant Animals, Dinosaurs, etc..
3. Using American-produced vehicles from any era to equip "Tank girl."

Research is taking place.