Chrome Yellow,RAF ,Euro Use Query

Cobra · April 30, 2012, 12:28:12 AM

Hey Guys, i was just wondering something,wasn't sure if Google could help. has the RAF or Any Euro Union Country Ever used Chrome Yellow for it's Rescue Aircraft? just something i was Wondering about. What Say You? Thanks for Looking. Dan

PR19_Kit · April 30, 2012, 01:12:04 AM

Not sure about what the colour is called, but UK based RAF SAR choppers are all painted bright yellow.

Having said that it's not going to last, as the entire UK SAR service is due to be privatised and the Sea Kings will be gone by 2016, thanks to the bizarre 'privatise everything' mind set that prevails under the current UK Government.

Note that the RN SAR Sea Kings aren't painted yellow, they're grey and red. No, I have no idea why they're different.......

TallEng · April 30, 2012, 01:48:35 AM

Its called 'Golden Yellow' if I remember right. I expect its got a BS Number as well.
Hmm... Now I'm confused

I've just checked on Hannants web site, and they List
Trainer Yellow and RAF Rescue Yellow BS256 enamel.
But I'm sure I've got a tin of Xtracolour 'Golden Yellow' and thats what the RAF SAR
Helicopters were painted in.

Regards
Keith

MiB · April 30, 2012, 03:28:40 AM

Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 30, 2012, 01:12:04 AM
Having said that it's not going to last, as the entire UK SAR service is due to be privatised and the Sea Kings will be gone by 2016, thanks to the bizarre 'privatise everything' mind set that prevails under the current UK Government.

Sad story $:-\$

RussC · April 30, 2012, 04:07:45 AM

Quote from: MiB on April 30, 2012, 03:28:40 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 30, 2012, 01:12:04 AM
Having said that it's not going to last, as the entire UK SAR service is due to be privatised and the Sea Kings will be gone by 2016, thanks to the bizarre 'privatise everything' mind set that prevails under the current UK Government.
Sad story $:-\$

And I was thinking (deluding) that the madness was exclusively on my side of the pond. The big trouble can come when for-profit rescue doesn't live up to its advertising and the system has to revert and reinvent and try to reclaim the key players and minds. Seen it happen over here. Messy.

PR19_Kit · April 30, 2012, 05:52:50 AM

What I don't understand is will the civvie SAR crews rescue military crews who get downed somewhere inhospitable? And who pays whom for them doing the job?

Of course, with our Government having done more to diminish the size of the RAF than the Luftwaffe did in 1939-45 they may reckon there's no need as there won't be any military flying going on in the UK...........

Me cynical? You bet I am!

andrewj · April 30, 2012, 06:13:50 AM

I always understood RAF rescue helicopters were finished in Trainer Yellow, BS381c 356 ,sometimes called Golden Yellow.

simmie · April 30, 2012, 04:55:28 PM

Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 30, 2012, 01:12:04 AM
Not sure about what the colour is called, but UK based RAF SAR choppers are all painted bright yellow.

Having said that it's not going to last, as the entire UK SAR service is due to be privatised and the Sea Kings will be gone by 2016, thanks to the bizarre 'privatise everything' mind set that prevails under the current UK Government.

Note that the RN SAR Sea Kings aren't painted yellow, they're grey and red. No, I have no idea why they're different.......

The old "Paraffin Budgies" will be missed.

Oh, the RAF SAR flight based at RAF Mount Pleasant are all over Dark Grey.

PR19_Kit · April 30, 2012, 08:02:46 PM

Quote from: simmie on April 30, 2012, 04:55:28 PM
Oh, the RAF SAR flight based at RAF Mount Pleasant are all over Dark Grey.

Ahah, I hope to have piccies of them soon, my daughter (She's the Best Air Traffic Controller in the RAF, not a lot of people know that....) went down there this week, with orders to photograph EVERything!

TsrJoe · May 01, 2012, 04:04:20 AM

http://www.e-paint.co.uk/search_colour.asp?cQuery=BS381 356

Thorvic · May 01, 2012, 04:25:55 AM

Quote from: simmie on April 30, 2012, 04:55:28 PM

Oh, the RAF SAR flight based at RAF Mount Pleasant are all over Dark Grey.

Think they are bright yellow now

rickshaw · May 01, 2012, 05:20:06 PM

Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 30, 2012, 05:52:50 AM
What I don't understand is will the civvie SAR crews rescue military crews who get downed somewhere inhospitable? And who pays whom for them doing the job?

Of course, with our Government having done more to diminish the size of the RAF than the Luftwaffe did in 1939-45 they may reckon there's no need as there won't be any military flying going on in the UK...........

Me cynical? You bet I am!

These things are cyclical. Most people don't realise before WWI, most logistics and many services in the UK forces were handled by civilian contractors. It was only the sheer size of WWI and then WWII which meant they had to be brought into the forces. Thatcher started turning the clock back in the 1980s. Nowadays, most third line and even many second line resources are now handled by contractors whereas before the 1980s they were exclusively handled by the forces themselves.

Downunder, our government caught the same bug and privatised a load of third line maintenance and logistics facilities for the ADF and has been paying others to provide what the ADF provided to itself before.

To the economic rationalists, the idea of keeping functions inhouse "just in case of need" when they weren't needed is ludicrous. So, when they are needed, the civilian contracting firms like Haliburton are called in, charge the earth and make a real killing. It also means that the military has to deal with, supply and protect a large number of non-combatant civilians in theatre, which of course reduces their resources to fight the enemy even further. Then there is the task of overseeing their work and contract negotiation and arbitration which means military personnel are required to be trained in non-military skills to do so (and of course means they're lured out ASAP by the contractors who use those skills against the military). IMHO, what money they save in peacetime ends up being squandered (plus extra) hiring these services back again in wartime. So any real savings are illusionary.