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Shenyang J-13 – a fighter project for the ‘90‘s

Started by Deino, July 17, 2004, 12:07:38 PM

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Deino

July 17, 2004, 12:07:38 PM
Regarding the very big help I got and the many useful suggestions for my “Shenyang J-11-project” I would like to make a follow-on: The Shenyang J-13 !

As this fighter-project remained as much as the J-11 a pure paper-project there are not so many hard facts:

“ J-13: At the end of the 1970s, Shenyang 601 Institute proposed development of a new light fighter to replace the J-6. Preliminary design was completed in the early 1980s and the project was named the J-13. The new aircraft used cantilever wings and fuselage side mounted air intakes - it resembled the French Mirage-F1. Normal takeoff weight was 11660kg. In order to meet a required Mach 2.0 level speed, the original plan was to use one British Spey Mk202 turbofan (with afterburner giving 9,300kg thrust) domestically produced as the WS-9. Because the domestic project failed to work out as planned the powerplant was changed to a 12,200kg thrust WS-6 turbofan. Some reports suggest that soon after China obtained a MiG-23MS Flogger-E from Egypt and set about reverse-engineering the R-29 turbojet as the WS-15 for installation on the J-13. In the end none of these projects produced an efficient, reliable, powerful engine. The J-13 design stressed speed, a good rate of climb and was optimised as an interceptor with some ground attack capability. Ceiling was 19,000 metres, sea level rate of climb approximately 260 metres/second, maximum overload +9G, and warload about 4.5 tons. Because of the successful J-8-II project, in the mid-1980s development of the J-13 was delayed and accorded low priority. However, into the late 1980s the project continued although the operational requirements had increased to match the Russian MiG-29 and American F-16 light fighters. In the early 1990s the project was finally abandoned because of the success of the Chengdu J-10 project.”

During the past years I managed to collect some drawing and pictures – and interesting !!! ... some more than of the J-11:

Deino  :rolleyes:

For all the previous pictures please take a look here:

http://forum.airforces.info/showthread.php...4310#post414310

Here it is .... my first try !

I just tried to catch the lines of the original proposal but "cleaned" them up to look more like a fighter for the late '80s or ealy '90s !

http://forum.airforces.info/attachment.php...tid=32501&stc=1

Any comments, Deino  :D  
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Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods:
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Deino

#1
July 18, 2004, 01:27:55 AM
And here the second try .... with an uprated engine ... and air intakes like other forth generation fighters !    :wub:

http://forum.airforces.info/attachment.php...tid=32544&stc=1

Deino   :)  
...
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that love would last forever; I was wrong.

The stars are not wanted now; put out every one:
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods:
For nothing now can ever come to any good.
-
W.H.Auden (1945

Geoff_B

#2
July 18, 2004, 03:01:05 AM
Hi Deino

Looks rather interesting are you going to try and build that last one then ? oer are you still developing the drawing first. BTW whats the dimensions in case somebody esle tries to give it a bash ?

Also Deino i'm looking for a site that i lost the link to of an interesting range of cancelled projects including the Lavi and one of the 70's chinese designs that was cancelled. Just wondering if you knew of it ?

Cheers

Thor B)  

Jschmus

#3
July 18, 2004, 04:01:17 AM
QuoteAnd here the second try .... with an uprated engine ... and air intakes like other forth generation fighters !    :wub:

http://forum.airforces.info/attachment.php...tid=32544&stc=1

Deino   :)
That looks nice!  Kind of like a single-engined F-15.
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Deino

#4
July 18, 2004, 07:30:26 AM
QuoteHi Deino

Looks rather interesting are you going to try and build that last one then ? oer are you still developing the drawing first. BTW whats the dimensions in case somebody esle tries to give it a bash ?

Also Deino i'm looking for a site that i lost the link to of an interesting range of cancelled projects including the Lavi and one of the 70's chinese designs that was cancelled. Just wondering if you knew of it ?

Cheers

Thor B)
Thanks You for the flowers ...  :wub:



Yes I will build them ... but first I will start with the J-11 ... and then I don't think there will be time left this summer !  ;)

Regarding the dimensions it's "drawn" around a Mirage 2000 as the J-13 was supposed to be in the same league ... so I sdtarted with a Mirage 2000 plan and changed the air-intakes, the nase and of course the wing and tail ... but generally it's a Mirage 2000 !   :D  

By the way ... my next "devellopment" step of this Shenyang project will be a version with a single air intake below the fuselage and in another step with a wing similar to the one proposed for the original Super Mirage ! ...and then maybe one with a VG-wing ... and so on !!!   :wub:

Regarding Your "lost" page ... was it a Chinese page ?????

Deino   :rolleyes:  
...
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that love would last forever; I was wrong.

The stars are not wanted now; put out every one:
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods:
For nothing now can ever come to any good.
-
W.H.Auden (1945

overscan

#5
July 18, 2004, 08:27:22 AM
I have a vague recollection of a site with the Shenyang J-12, Lavi and other failed projects, but haven't been able to locate it.
Paul Martell-Mead / Overscan
"What if?" addict

Deino

#6
July 18, 2004, 11:15:55 PM
O.k.   ..... here are all three "versions"

The first as the "prototype" ...    :rolleyes:



... the second as an improved serial version ...   :lol:



... and the final with a new wing ... a real "what-if"  !!!    :blink:




Deino  
...
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that love would last forever; I was wrong.

The stars are not wanted now; put out every one:
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods:
For nothing now can ever come to any good.
-
W.H.Auden (1945

Gary

#7
July 19, 2004, 06:29:40 AM
Beautiful.....  :wub:  
Getting back into modeling

Geoff_B

#8
September 26, 2004, 01:10:13 PM
Inspired by Deino Built by Geoff Payne and what a rather nice model it looks as well  :D  :D  

Deino

#9
September 27, 2004, 06:53:43 AM Last Edit: September 27, 2004, 07:09:45 AM by Deino
Hey, hey ... what a beauty !!!   :wub:

... if I will find some time mine will look like this !



more: http://forum.airforces.info/attachment.php...tid=31297&stc=1
... and here: http://www.china-defense.com/forum/index.p...l=Shenyang+J-11

But I think I need to correct one thing ! This plane is the Shenyang J-11 and not the later J-13 !

take a look here: http://forum.airforces.info/showthread.php...t=Shenyang+J-11

Anyway a beautiful model !

Deino  :D
...
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that love would last forever; I was wrong.

The stars are not wanted now; put out every one:
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods:
For nothing now can ever come to any good.
-
W.H.Auden (1945

Tophe

#10
September 27, 2004, 07:23:29 AM
Quotetake a look here: http://forum.airforces.info/showthread.php...t=Shenyang+J-11
:wub: You are very right in this other forum : a 'Mirage-F-1" look alike. Thanks a lot - I may turn towards Mirage after my Mustang finishing (at the printer currently)...
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

#11
September 27, 2004, 08:45:00 PM
Quotea 'Mirage-F-1" look alike
:huh:  Uh, I am unsure... Were you posting a Mirage F-1 to compare (just, alas) or a true Shenyang looking like a Mirage F-1 (that would be wonderful)? Below is the Mirage F-1 itself, and I am not sure... :huh: Tell us, please...
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Deino

#12
October 01, 2004, 07:10:45 AM
Hey Geoff   :cheers:   Congratulation to Yout model ... I hope mine will be ready some day too !

Do You have a J-13 on Your workbench too ???

Deino  :)  
...
My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
I thought that love would last forever; I was wrong.

The stars are not wanted now; put out every one:
Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods:
For nothing now can ever come to any good.
-
W.H.Auden (1945
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