Shorts Stirling ideas

NARSES2 · December 07, 2015, 07:04:34 AM

Quote from: The Wooksta! on December 05, 2015, 04:02:48 PM
Mel Bromley was selling 144th Shetlands at Telford for £20 a pop. Nearly got one but it's not my scale...

Yup he was selling them at the LMS yesterday. Very nearly went for one, but resisted temptation

The Wooksta! · December 07, 2015, 08:33:34 AM

If I see them again, I will be having one.

JayBee · December 07, 2015, 08:52:19 AM

At that price so will I.

Captain Canada · December 08, 2015, 06:04:26 AM

lol. A 144th scale revolution is afoot !

NARSES2 · December 08, 2015, 06:05:37 AM

The 1/44 Shetland kit includes options for both military and civil versions

The Wooksta! · December 08, 2015, 10:02:07 AM

Civil? I do aircraft that kill people!

PR19_Kit · December 08, 2015, 11:48:48 AM

Quote from: The Wooksta! on December 08, 2015, 10:02:07 AM
Civil? I do aircraft that kill people!

Except the ones that take photos of them.........

The Wooksta! · December 08, 2015, 06:11:36 PM

Yes, but they're still operated by the military - who do kill people!

Captain Canada · December 09, 2015, 09:35:07 AM

...and they're garnering info to make it easier to kill people. Reminds of that T-shirt my bro had as kids " Join the Army ! See the world ! Meet lots of interesting people....and kill them !"

McColm · December 18, 2015, 10:26:41 AM

I have an idea for the Stirling MkVII , to be converted into an MR/ASW. The ventral radome off the resin Shackleton conversion set fits and the RR Griffons as well. There is a resin set on eBay .Using the resin parts from the Stirling V correction set, could still use the forward guns and delete the upper and rear turrets. Main undercarriage to be lowered. Painted in Coastal Command colours.

PR19_Kit · December 18, 2015, 01:56:57 PM

Quote from: McColm on December 18, 2015, 10:26:41 AM
Main undercarriage to be lowered.

And there lies the problem.

The Stirling needed to be like that because of its small wing and had to have a high angle of incidence to take-off.

Caveman · December 19, 2015, 11:51:12 AM

Quote from: Caveman on July 03, 2012, 02:14:00 PM
Quote from: raafif on July 02, 2012, 11:06:50 PM
forget about the Short Stirling ..... build the Long Sterling -- proper length wings + Merlins ..... oh, yes, & redesign the internals 1940-aircraft style not 1900's-submarine style

Check this out...

Stirling's wings are basically the same span as its contemporaries, they just have a really large chord length which makes them look short.

Kit, post of mine from page 1 stirling's wings were probably the greatest area of all the heavies. The long gear was for access under the really long fuselage.

McColm · December 19, 2015, 12:14:32 PM

I think I have a couple of auxiliary jets either from the Neptune or KC-97 kits, they'd look good under the wings.

PR19_Kit · December 19, 2015, 02:40:51 PM

Quote from: Caveman on December 19, 2015, 11:51:12 AM
Kit, post of mine from page 1 stirling's wings were probably the greatest area of all the heavies. The long gear was for access under the really long fuselage.

Not probably, the Stirling WAS the largest area wing of the three RAF WWII heavies, see my post on page 1 further down.

Your comparison drawing doesn't make a case for bomb bay access. Compare the height under the Stirling with that of the Lanc and Hali and it's MUCH greater anyway, even taking into account the length.

I'm sure I've read somewhere about the Stirling wing, having been developed from that of the Empire flying boat and with an older airfoil section, needed a steeper angle of incidence to produce enough lift to get the heavy bomb loads off on the shot grass airfields that it was designed for.

Gondor · December 19, 2015, 04:38:25 PM

Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 19, 2015, 02:40:51 PM
Quote from: Caveman on December 19, 2015, 11:51:12 AM
Kit, post of mine from page 1 stirling's wings were probably the greatest area of all the heavies. The long gear was for access under the really long fuselage.

Not probably, the Stirling WAS the largest area wing of the three RAF WWII heavies, see my post on page 1 further down.

Your comparison drawing doesn't make a case for bomb bay access. Compare the height under the Stirling with that of the Lanc and Hali and it's MUCH greater anyway, even taking into account the length.

I'm sure I've read somewhere about the Stirling wing, having been developed from that of the Empire flying boat and with an older airfoil section, needed a steeper angle of incidence to produce enough lift to get the heavy bomb loads off on the shot grass airfields that it was designed for.

Absolutely correct Kit!!

From Warpaint No 15 Short Stirling, page 4. The following comments were made after the first service pilots had a chance to fly the S.31 half scale prototype.

"In general the opinion was that it had good handling qualities but it was considered that its take-off run was rather long. A three degree increase in wing incidence was recommended.
But Stirling production had already started so Gouge (the aircraft's designer) compromised by adding three degrees to the ground angle by lengthening the main undercarriage legs."

Gondor