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Landkreuzer P.1000 Ratte..........IN 1/35 SCALE!

Started by seadude, July 18, 2012, 08:13:52 PM

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CANSO

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Quote from: seadude on July 18, 2012, 08:13:52 PM...I tend to enjoy building subjects that nobody has ever seen, heard of, or done before.
Seadude, in the case with this particular object, somebody already did it in 1:35! Watch movie here. Modeller's name is Rainer Hildebrand - why don't you write him and ask for the dimensions of the turret (or anything else)? It's his site.
BTW Matuo Kasten manufactured this monster in 1/144 - see here.
P.S. As far as I remember the battleship "Gneisenau" was planned to be the "donor" for the turrets of the "Rat". A fellow "paper modeller" gave me the hint you can eventually measure and rescale the turrets of "Gneisenau" from this free paper model in 1:400.
Regards!


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Quote from: CANSO on July 22, 2012, 09:16:57 PM
BTW Matuo Kasten manufactured this monster in 1/144 - see here.



Cheers Canso I knew someone had done a kit  :thumbsup: Just got the scale wrong  :banghead:
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Ya know, paint it up in grey and along side some AT-AT and AT-ST walkers, it'd somehow fit perfectly in the Star Wars 'verse as one of Palpatine's terror weapons.
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seadude

QuoteThe turret doesn't seem to be a copy of Scharnhorsts though as it uses only two guns, or are you using the critical height and length dimensions to work out your own?

Yes, the turret used on the Ratte is similar to ones used on Scharnhorst.


Quote from: CANSO on July 22, 2012, 09:16:57 PM
Quote from: seadude on July 18, 2012, 08:13:52 PM...I tend to enjoy building subjects that nobody has ever seen, heard of, or done before.
Seadude, in the case with this particular object, somebody already did it in 1:35! Watch movie here. Modeller's name is Rainer Hildebrand - why don't you write him and ask for the dimensions of the turret (or anything else)? It's his site.
BTW Matuo Kasten manufactured this monster in 1/144 - see here.
P.S. As far as I remember the battleship "Gneisenau" was planned to be the "donor" for the turrets of the "Rat". A fellow "paper modeller" gave me the hint you can eventually measure and rescale the turrets of "Gneisenau" from this free paper model in 1:400.
Regards!

Swell. Looks like somebody already beat me to doing a 1/35 version. Good video I must say. Outstanding photographic work. ;) Only problem is that his Ratte has 4 treads (2 on each side). All sources I have come across mention 6 treads (3 on each side).
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If indeed the intended armament was to be a pair of 28 cm SK C/28, those were the guns used on the Deutschland class panzerschiffe
, the 'pocket battleships', rather than the 28 cm SK C/34 of the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. Also in the drawing on the Achtung Panzer
site the turret more closely resembles that of the Deutschland class.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/p-10001500-pzkpfw-ixx.htm

Info on the Navweaps site gives a weight of 600 metric tons for the triple mount of the Deutschland class:
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_11-52_skc28.htm

and 750 metric tons for Scharnhorst class triple mount:
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_11-545_skc34.htm

On the following page the site author indulges in speculation about weight, again using the Gneisenau turret as a base, however
in reality there would be no reason to have battleship levels of armour protection for something like the P.1000, after all its not likely it
would be in combat with a battleship. ;)
http://www.panzerworld.net/p1000-ratte

For my money I'd guess that while the turret may have resembled that of a heavy cruiser/battle-ship, it most likely would have been
a unique design.

The Achtung Panzer entry also mentions tracks "similar to those used on excavators in coalmines." So that suggests to me that
the renderings populating the net with gigantic torsion-bar type tank suspension show an unlikely configuration.
Especially as "three sets of tracks" implies three sets of suspension, ala the double suspension of the US T-28.
So rather than a gigantic Panzer IV suspension I'd go for something fully skirted with a gazillion small road-wheels, perhaps like a cross between
a big crawler excavator and a Char 2C.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_2C

Or perhaps something Churchill, T-35 or Neubaufahrzeug-ish.

BTW the track width of the Maus was 1.1 metres, very close to the 1.2 metre of each individual track of the P.1000, so I guess
you could use the suspension and tracks from about a dozen Maus kits for your P.1000.  ;)