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Korean War whiffery

Started by TheSybarite, August 24, 2012, 07:07:15 AM

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August 26, 2012, 10:37:12 PM Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 05:30:35 AM by rickshaw
Quote from: The Rat on August 26, 2012, 09:18:05 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 26, 2012, 08:40:36 AM
It always amazed me why Avro Canada entered the Clunk in the USAF's light bomber contest in the first place. It never stood a chance, unless it had been so radically modified that it would have become a different aircraft entirely.

Often thought about turning it into a shoulder-wing job, with craploads of ordnance hanging under them.

Why not just lengthen the fuselage and put an internal bomb bay in it?  The landing gear is long enough anyway, so that you could hang plenty of stuff under it.
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August 27, 2012, 04:08:04 AM
Quote from: rickshaw on August 26, 2012, 10:37:12 PMWhy not just lengthen the fuselage and put an internal bomb bay in it?  The landing is long enough anyway, so that you could hang plenty of stuff under it.

Because a shoulder wing would look way cool!  ;D
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August 27, 2012, 07:45:31 AM
Quote from: rickshaw on August 26, 2012, 10:37:12 PM
 The landing gear is long enough anyway, so that you could hang plenty of stuff under it.

Very true. Why WAS it so tall anyway? Did the aircraft need to rotate to a huge AoA to take off?

The only one I've ever seen, an RCAF Mk IV that had a fuel problem and made an emergency landing at Chalgrove when it was trying to get into Benson, looked ENORMOUS to my 14 hr old eyes at the time. I could walk right underneath it without ducking!
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August 27, 2012, 08:05:05 AM
Quote from: The Rat on August 27, 2012, 04:08:04 AM
Quote from: rickshaw on August 26, 2012, 10:37:12 PMWhy not just lengthen the fuselage and put an internal bomb bay in it?  The landing is long enough anyway, so that you could hang plenty of stuff under it.

Because a shoulder wing would look way cool!  ;D
Lengthen the fuselage, build the internal bomb bay, mount the wing to the shoulder, get rid of the tip tanks and extend the wing a bit. Piece o' cake!
Seriously, the internal bomb bay always seems to end up filled with a fuel tank or other stuff with all the weapons on the wings anyway. See F-111, Buccaner, F-105, etc.
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August 27, 2012, 10:38:19 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 26, 2012, 08:40:36 AM
It always amazed me why Avro Canada entered the Clunk in the USAF's light bomber contest in the first place. It never stood a chance, unless it had been so radically modified that it would have become a different aircraft entirely.
My understanding is that the competitors list was generated in 1950 by the USAF officers on the B-26
replacement commitee, based on all aircraft that were then available and potentially adaptable to the
intruder role. 

So, it was not so much a matter of AVRO Canada offering as it was the USAF requesting.

TheSybarite

#20
August 28, 2012, 01:25:30 PM
Steering us gently back... The Luftwaffe would probably be fielding Ta-183s and (slightly outdated) Me-262s as fighters; Do-335s and maybe beefed-up Fw-190s for ground attack, as well as some jets, maybe?

philp

#21
August 28, 2012, 04:34:28 PM
Still think this is more of a should have than a what if.

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rickshaw

#22
August 28, 2012, 05:13:35 PM
Interesting that we're all concentrating on one side in the Korean conflict.

How about some ideas for t'other side?   One that has always been interesting to me is the La15:



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Dizzyfugu

#23
August 29, 2012, 12:34:20 AM
Yup - I have a La-15 kit stashed away in the basement but am not certain what to make of it. A simple NMF/Soviet prototype is a little boring? I considered a Luft '46 fantasy whif, but maybe a Chinese or North-Korean livery with a cammo scheme is another option? I also have some vintage Vietnam insignia (yellow stars) somewhere...

Mossie

#24
August 29, 2012, 02:34:23 AM
Quote from: TheSybarite on August 28, 2012, 01:25:30 PM
Steering us gently back... The Luftwaffe would probably be fielding Ta-183s and (slightly outdated) Me-262s as fighters; Do-335s and maybe beefed-up Fw-190s for ground attack, as well as some jets, maybe?

Ta-154's?  How about Turboprop power for the Do.335, we had some discussion on it here:
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,30826.15.html
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#25
August 29, 2012, 02:42:50 AM
Mixed powerplant (with a jet in the tail) Do 335 is also a plausible development.

James

#26
September 11, 2012, 09:06:34 AM
How about some Spitefuls? Focke wulf Flitzers? De Havilland DH 108s?

Radish

#27
September 11, 2012, 10:21:07 AM
The USAF would have used the F-47 willingly, but they didn't have enough. Lots had been scrapped and lots sold abroad...France, Yugoslavia and many South American countries. F-51Ds were generally available from ANG units.

But I've plans for an F-47D in USAF markings of the Korean War  :thumbsup:
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September 11, 2012, 02:50:46 PM
Quote from: Radish on September 11, 2012, 10:21:07 AM
But I've plans for an F-47D in USAF markings of the Korean War  :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: :bow:
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#29
September 11, 2012, 05:04:44 PM
A B-36! Muh-wah-hahahahahaha! Imagine THAT dropping loads of 500 pounders into infantry formations!

A friend of mine wanted to do an NA Savage in a hangar, with a "shape" having just dropped out of the bombay, and techs running away as fast as possible. He had it good authority (you know, one of those "I was there but nobody can verify it" types) that the USN had nuclear assets in country, waiting for the word to come.

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