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Retro Typhoon F1

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TallEng

September 22, 2012, 02:28:15 PM
Right, this was started by Devifish and his rather excellent  Hawker Siddeley Typhoon F1  ;D
(so I found an innocent partially completed Revell Eurofighter/typhoon) :blink: :thumbsup:
It was then Re-started by Gondor and his Hawker Siddeley Typhoon T2, :rolleyes:

So..... When I first saw Devilfish's Typhoon F1 I thought that's nice, but not quite what I would do.
This is what I thought I would do....



I wanted to make the Typhoon more Hunterish, so as to look like Sir Sydney went back to a clean sheet of
Paper for a direct Hunter replacement.



Still to come the 'Dog tooth' leading edge's, the filling in of where I removed the remains of the Delta wing,
And I think removal of the EJ Exhausts and replacement... Perhaps with a pen nib fairing and plain tubing for the exhaust, so as to simulate an Avon fitted with reheat. (that should be Avon's) ;D

Comments and ideas etc most welcome  :thumbsup:

Regards
Keith

The British have raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved". Soon though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross". Londoners have not been "A Bit Cross" since the Blitz in 1940 when tea supplies ran out for three weeks

NARSES2

#1
September 23, 2012, 03:05:54 AM
It has that Hawker elegance already  :thumbsup:
Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

perttime

#2
September 23, 2012, 05:21:28 AM Last Edit: September 23, 2012, 05:23:31 AM by perttime
The wing looks right but I'm a bit concerned about the tailplane. Mounted on the fin, it looks so small compared with the wide fuselage. There'd probably be problems with the fuselage blanking the airflow at any significant AoA too.

Would you consider mounting the tailplane low, where the rearmost part of the delta wing was?

TallEng

#3
September 23, 2012, 09:08:16 AM
Quote from: perttime on September 23, 2012, 05:21:28 AM
The wing looks right but I'm a bit concerned about the tailplane. Mounted on the fin, it looks so small compared with the wide fuselage. There'd probably be problems with the fuselage blanking the airflow at any significant AoA too.

Would you consider mounting the tailplane low, where the rearmost part of the delta wing was?

Never even thought of that,  :rolleyes: but if I mount the Tailplane low on the fuselage won't it be affected by the airflow from the main plane?
I can make the tailplanes bigger and still mount them on the fin, that Tailplane was nicked off a passing Hunter
Just for the picture ;D

Regards
Keith
The British have raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved". Soon though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross". Londoners have not been "A Bit Cross" since the Blitz in 1940 when tea supplies ran out for three weeks

perttime

#4
September 23, 2012, 09:47:44 AM
Lots of aircraft, past and modern, have the tailplane pretty much in line with the wing. Apparently, it is not necessarily a problem. If you want to put it on the fin, I'd definitely consider making them significantly larger ... for looks and function. They might be a good size mounted on the fuselage sides. The Typhoon rear fuselage is just so wide, compared with the slim Hunter.

pyro-manic

#5
September 23, 2012, 10:09:32 AM
Some of my models can be found on my Flickr album >>>HERE<<<

Devilfish

#6
September 24, 2012, 07:32:33 AM
Very nice. I am going to do a pen knib exhaust on my 1/48 version, using ideas borrowed from the P.1121 too.

Not sure what engines I will have as I'm playing with dimensions, weights and trhust to see which would be best.

TallEng

#7
September 24, 2012, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: Devilfish on September 24, 2012, 07:32:33 AM
Very nice. I am going to do a pen knib exhaust on my 1/48 version, using ideas borrowed from the P.1121 too.

Not sure what engines I will have as I'm playing with dimensions, weights and trhust to see which would be best.

Dimensions!, weights? Thrust? :blink:
I'm afraid my thinking didn't go that far,
I just thought if Sir Sidney had ago at replacing the Hunter, Two Avon's with reheat, And keeping roughly the same dimensions would be a good start :thumbsup: of course some sort of Radar and guided missiles (Red Top? Or a derivative thereof)
It would of course suffer from 'short legs' a typical British fighter disease, and have to carry a drop tank or two  ;D

The rest I'm going to make up as I go along :blink:

Regards
Keith
The British have raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved". Soon though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross". Londoners have not been "A Bit Cross" since the Blitz in 1940 when tea supplies ran out for three weeks

kerick

#8
September 24, 2012, 07:59:08 PM
As far as the horizontal stab goes, the A-7 Corsair and the Crusader had it low on the fuselage while the F-4 Phantom carried it well above the wing. It was the F-104 Starfighter that carried it on the top of the fin and suffered pitch up problems. I say place it where you think it looks cool and let others scratch their heads about it.
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
Tophe the Wise

NARSES2

#9
September 25, 2012, 12:59:54 AM
Quote from: TallEng on September 24, 2012, 03:11:25 PM
The rest I'm going to make up as I go along :blink:

Regards
Keith

Quote from: kerick on September 24, 2012, 07:59:08 PM
I say place it where you think it looks cool and let others scratch their heads about it.

Excellent ideas both  ;D :thumbsup:
Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

TallEng

#10
September 25, 2012, 02:26:43 AM
A little progress from this morning/last night, :thumbsup:



I've filled/removed the recesses for the missiles in the fuselage underside, and have started to sand the EJ exhaust petals smooth, to give it that extended tailpipe look that the Hunter has, I've also added the 'Dog tooth'
Leading edge extensions.
You will note no tailplanes at the moment :o, I've just been checking 'British Secret Projects: Jet Fighters'
And found these; all from Sir Sydney's pen,
Hawker P.1121 low set Tailplane,
Hawker P.1116 tail set low on the fin,
Hawker P.1103 tail set low on the fin.
These last two actually have the Tailplane as per the Hunter...
So I think it will be out with the plastikard for a slightly larger Hunterish Tailplane.

Regards
Keith
The British have raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved". Soon though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross". Londoners have not been "A Bit Cross" since the Blitz in 1940 when tea supplies ran out for three weeks

PR19_Kit

#11
September 25, 2012, 06:43:42 AM
That's looking better and better!  :thumbsup:
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Mossie

#12
September 25, 2012, 07:18:30 AM
Hmm, kind of a developed P.1121, I like where this is going! :thumbsup:
I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. You see, my mule don't like people laughin'. He gets the crazy idea you're laughin' at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

kerick

#13
September 27, 2012, 08:38:36 PM
Cool!
I'll be watching this one.
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
Tophe the Wise

James

#14
September 30, 2012, 08:42:14 AM
Looks great already. Going to be a cracking looking kite!  :thumbsup:
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