What If? No Longer

[Taiidantomcat]

Over a year ago Thorvic posted this:

Right until the F-35 enters front line service or we actually get a proper model kit of the F-35 variants i think i shall close this thread down, there are plenty of LM propganda/bashing threads on all the aviation forums and rather than sour the mood on here we'll call it a day until there something we can actually build and whiff

In this thread:

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,6630.0/highlight,jsf.html

Since then we have been blessed with two versions in 1/48:





And the United States Marine Corps took the delivery of its first F-35Bs with the official stand up of VMFA-121 at MCAS Yuma, AZ:

http://www.yuma.usmc.mil/



The thread has met the criteria to be reopened.

[coolpop6307]

I second this, ooh I didn't know those were out there i think I will have to buy both. 
Thanks
   Joshua

[PR19_Kit]

Why can't we have a decent one in 1/72 though? 

[Martin H]

Why can't we have a decent one in 1/72 though? 

Fujimi got there first. Its just a bit awkward to get hold of in the UK

[Thorvic]

Why can't we have a decent one in 1/72 though? 

Fujimi got there first. Its just a bit awkward to get hold of in the UK

Well sort of, the kits more designed for the ready made market as almost snap fit, and they managed to only open half the doors needed for STOVL flight rendering it pretty limited. We do really need a decent kit of all three variants, but maybe Kittyhawk will scales theirs down.

As for Tai's request, sure you can talk about modelling the F-35 as we have kits now, but thats it, you can leave the F-35 propoganda to F-16.net with the rest of the groupies as have seen first hand how you and your crew jumped on Secret Projects Forum and ruined the relevent discussion threads on there forcing them to be locked . It ain't going to happen on here again.

BTW I class Front-line operational Service when the aircraft are able to be deployed as a combat fighting unit capable of going into harms way, and thats not going to be till the end of the decade when production aircraft are in service.

[Taiidantomcat]

Why can't we have a decent one in 1/72 though?  

Fujimi got there first. Its just a bit awkward to get hold of in the UK

Well sort of, the kits more designed for the ready made market as almost snap fit, and they managed to only open half the doors needed for STOVL flight rendering it pretty limited. We do really need a decent kit of all three variants, but maybe Kittyhawk will scales theirs down.

As for Tai's request, sure you can talk about modelling the F-35 as we have kits now, but thats it, you can leave the F-35 propoganda to F-16.net with the rest of the groupies as have seen first hand how you and your crew jumped on Secret Projects Forum and ruined the relevent discussion threads on there forcing them to be locked . It ain't going to happen on here again.

BTW I class Front-line operational Service when the aircraft are able to be deployed as a combat fighting unit capable of going into harms way, and thats not going to be till the end of the decade when production aircraft are in service.

just couldn't resist the old parting shot could you?

Thats a great double standard ya got there. I didn't expect you to play by your own rules, that is the honorable thing after all. This is a site that explores alternative history in subjects like Nazi victory, and yet you seem terrified of any discussion or descent of your own views regarding a single real world aircraft.

So once again we are we are curtailed in how we can post about it but you are not? This is a Thorvic standard operating procedure: He has the last word, then locks the thread down. Thanks for reminding me why I no longer post here. I also appreciate you giving everyone such a great look at the little quasi dictator you have become. Bravo. I hope you continue in full view of the members here.

Propaganda? Everything in this thread is true and verified with links. What I do on other sites is my business, so long as I play by the rules here my friend. Which I have done. At no point did I start a competing JSF thread or cause any trouble since the original lockdown. I patiently waited, until the criteria to reopen the thread was met, at which point you instantly started the mud slinging, highlighted in bold above.

So how about you keep your word, reopen the thread and censure me if I actually break the rules on this site? You are a moderator on this forum not a global internet cop. This Site and the members that frequent it are smart enough to allow a little imagination and alternative thinking, and different ideas and views, one hopes.

There was only one person in this thread that started any kind of debate or opinion, and that was you Thorvic. I am perfectly capable of keeping things civil, Lets see if you are able to.

[Martin H]

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/awx_11_21_2012_p0-519763.xml

the comments at the bottom of the page make interesting reading

[Taiidantomcat]

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/awx_11_21_2012_p0-519763.xml

the comments at the bottom of the page make interesting reading

i would make a rebuttal, along with an article that says quite the opposite but I have been barred from doing so.

Luckily you posted something negative so you are welcome to say how you feel. Fun Fact about the Eric Palmer Blog, (link below) all the comments allowed on his site must be preapproved by him, so you won't find much descent there.

http://elpdefensenews.blogspot.com/

In fact I posted something that directly refutes that comment just this afternoon, to his credit he did allow it:

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6164817033308391151&postID=2511609940177711305

My comment is at the bottom #21


Remember when this thread was talking about model Kits and then Thorvic decided to insert opinion, and the thread turned?  Good times.

Bet I get blamed for it   Again, I have not violated any forum rule, and continue to call for an open and equal F-35 thread that is devoid of opinions from both sides, including those of the moderator.

At Beyond the Sprues we have two threads one for F-35 ideas and kits:





and one for F-35 debate. The funny thing though is no one really debates and thread is long dormant.

[Martin H]

well one thing I think we can agree on is that the F-35B is certainly proving to be what we in the UK would call a "Marmite" aircraft.....you either love it or hate it. No middle ground allowed in the debate by either side of the argument.

For whats its worth I do know one thing that does work on the B model. The Autoland software.  It was written by a guy I trained when he was an air cadet, and credits me in part with inspiring him to go into the aviation industry. And as a side note the software was prove read and debugged by another former cadet of mine...His then girl friend who at the time was a repair engineer for Nokia.

[Taiidantomcat]

well one thing I think we can agree on is that the F-35B is certainly proving to be what we in the UK would call a "Marmite" aircraft.....you either love it or hate it. No middle ground allowed in the debate by either side of the argument.

For whats its worth I do know one thing that does work on the B model. The Autoland software.  It was written by a guy I trained when he was an air cadet, and credits me in part with inspiring him to go into the aviation industry. And as a side note the software was prove read and debugged by another former cadet of mine...His then girl friend who at the time was a repair engineer for Nokia.

People are very happy with the its auto land feature  

For the record, I don't think Debate on its looks is wrong. Thats an opinion that doesn't seem to harm threads. Ugly/pretty is fine to play with.



I'm more than willing to handle this like a mature adult, I just don't want to be the only around here who does. 

[rickshaw]

Why is it hard to talk modelling about this subject without drawing the politics into it?

We can discuss other controversial matters/issues such as Nazi uberweapons without any problems.   Yet when it comes to the F-35 go to pieces.

I'd suggest that if would possible to open a thread on the F-35 which was purely about modelling the subject.  That is if we are all adults...   

[NARSES2]

Why is it hard to talk modelling about this subject without drawing the politics into it?

We can discuss other controversial matters/issues such as Nazi uberweapons without any problems.   Yet when it comes to the F-35 go to pieces.

I'd suggest that if would possible to open a thread on the F-35 which was purely about modelling the subject.  That is if we are all adults...   

Absolutely agree. Why, oh why 

[Steel Penguin]

martin  that peice of news brought a smile to my face,  both the inspiring and the knowing who did it are both  worthy.

And Tai  thank you for that picky  wile i cant tell if its a "real" or digi altered one its certaily well presented and some thing ill file away at the back of the mind and let ferment for use on something else.

[PR19_Kit]

While we're on the 'The F-35 wouldn't be flying if it wasn't for me' bit, I'll add my own snippet. 

The MONSTER lift fan the sits behind the cockpit of the F-35, at least on the VSTOL version anyway, is made by Rolls-Royce at a purpose built factory nr Nottingham in the UK. The make the fan by welding the umpteen blades onto the circular titanium centre hub and they don't do it by MIG, TIG, gas, spot, arc or hand welding. Oh no, they RUB the blades hard against the hub until the rubbing parts melt and then hold it steady till it cools down! All of this takes around 0.8 sec!!!!!!

As the blades are so close together they have to weld every alternate blade onto the hub and then they take the assembly away to machine off the welding flash and then bring it back to weld on the other blades. The blades have to be welded on with an accuracy of 0.02 mm in each direction and 0.01 minute of arc in the circular mode.

All of this amazement is carried out by a machine called a Friction Welder that's about the size of a UK house and is powered by a large hydraulic power supply of around the same size and it was designed and built by my former employers, MTS Systems of Minneapolis MN and it was installed and commisioned by ME! 

But I STILL can't get my hands on a production 1/72 F-35B model for love or money. 

[Taiidantomcat]

The Orange plane and twin engine aircraft are CGI but they look 

http://www.crestviewbulletin.com/news/community/first-u-k-pilots-begin-training-to-fly-f-35-1.54149


First UK pilots



(Not CGI)