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Transall C-160, conversions that never made it into service

Started by McColm, January 12, 2013, 11:43:21 AM

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McColm

  Whether you've got the Heller or Revell 1/72 scale kit, the chances are you've thought of the idea to whiff it.
In the 'real world' Transall did include provision for two auxiliary turbojets to be fitted on pylons under the wing for assisted take off, but were never used. Other considerations included:
Changing the Rolls-Royce Tyne turboprop engines for the Allison T56s or fitting two JT3D (TF33) jet engines on pylons.
The C-160S Ocean Patrol. A maritime patrol aircraft fitted with avionics from the  Br1150 Breguet Atlantic.
The C-160ASF an armed version of the Ocean Patrol with under wing pylons carrying the Exocet  anti-ship missile.
The C-160AAA an AEW&C, based on the radar carried on the ill-fated Nimrod AEW. The C-160AAA would have had a similar nose cone (the C-130 was also considered as a candiate).


A US Coastguard version would look stunning with T56 turboprop engines, Rotodome and the new six-bladed propellers. This could come from the Hawkeye E-2C 2000 kit as it contains the new propellers along with the Hamilton 4 bladed set. Coastguard decals would have to be sourced.
So too would a Gunship.
Skis could be fitted
or underwing inflight refueling tanks (as fitted to the C-130).
A sea plane version

Most of the C-130 versions have already been used on the 'real world' C-160 and a civil variant cargo plane is in service.

As for me, well if my C-130  Spey powered sea plane build goes to plan then the Coastguard version with skis using a Heller 1/72 kit will be the next.

chrisonord

I have a stalled gunship version in the loft as it kept falling apart internally. Mine is the Heller one, and it was/is a pain to build too.
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Dizzyfugu

IIRC, a friend of mine planned or is planning to do an four-engined Super-Transall, with enlarged wings span, two additional orginal engines and added fuselage segments. Might never materialize due to space problems, though...  :rolleyes:

PR19_Kit

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Dizzyfugu

No, it's much bigger. The original Transall is just as large as a Herc, which looks stubby and bigger. A four-engined Transall would be a HUGE thing, unless you take it OOB and just add four Herc engines - which would be possible, too.

Mossie

C-161, version with a nose loading ramp:



Jet powered version:


Good thread on Secret Projects, several versions including those mentioned, a VSTOL and an airliner variant :
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,406.0.html
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Mossie

An upgraded Transall would work, if the A400M never happened.  New powerplant, avionics, cockpit, maybe a stretch etc. to compete with the C-27J.
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Weaver

A version with skis and RATO units or jet pods could be done in "French Antarctic Survey" colours or some such (no idea if the French have such a thing mind you).

You could do a super-STOL version that used the blown wing technology from the Breguet 941: 4 x engines spread out along the wing with near total coverage of the latter by the propwash, plus big multi-slotted flaps on the trailing edge.

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loupgarou

Thanks for the images and link.
I like the raised cockpit version more than the standard (RW) aircraft. :thumbsup:
And what about a military version with rear ramp AND swinging nose? A roll-on/roll-off aircraft!  :wub:
Owing to the current financial difficulties, the light at the end of the tunnel will be turned off until further notice.

Mossie

Yes, couple that with the longer fuselage of the airliner variant and I think you'd have quite a capable transporter.  Maybe a couple of extra engines, like Dizzyfugu's mate is contemplating.
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The Rat

There was the flying boat version built under license by Shorts, gave good service for many years. Details at this link.



And there was the gunship that France used, primarily in southeast Asia, details at this link.

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The Rat

I have another of the tiny ones in the stash, thinking about an Air Cushion Landing system.
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: Dizzyfugu on January 14, 2013, 01:52:37 AM
No, it's much bigger. The original Transall is just as large as a Herc, which looks stubby and bigger. A four-engined Transall would be a HUGE thing, unless you take it OOB and just add four Herc engines - which would be possible, too.

It was a joke Thomas, thus the smileys at the end.........

Maybe about the size of a Belfast then, which IS a huge thing and it has 4 x Tynes too.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Mossie

Quote from: The Rat on January 14, 2013, 02:50:03 PM
I have another of the tiny ones in the stash, thinking about an Air Cushion Landing system.

That I like to see. :thumbsup:
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Dizzyfugu

Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 14, 2013, 03:21:47 PM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on January 14, 2013, 01:52:37 AM
No, it's much bigger. The original Transall is just as large as a Herc, which looks stubby and bigger. A four-engined Transall would be a HUGE thing, unless you take it OOB and just add four Herc engines - which would be possible, too.

It was a joke Thomas, thus the smileys at the end.........

Maybe about the size of a Belfast then, which IS a huge thing and it has 4 x Tynes too.


The Transall is deceiving, since it only has two engines. When you do not have a Herc as direct comparison, you'd easily say the Herc was considerably bigger - but both airframes are about the same size. So, there's at least a grit of truth and relevance to your argument. ;)