Whiffs found on Facebook

[TheChronicOne]

great angry bird !

I am busy with something like that, a bird head on a plane : to appear soon !

[TheChronicOne]

109 G6 "Mosquito Catcher"  found on Facebook Scale Modelers page. 

[JayBee]

great angry bird !

I am busy with something like that, a bird head on a plane : to appear soon !

Here is something along similar lines. The Roger Dean cover art for the 1972 Budgie album, Squawk.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Dean_(artist)#/media/File:Budgie_Squawk.jpg

[TheChronicOne]

No credit given....   found on the "THE MODELERS HINTS,TIPS AND Q&A" page.







EDIT: By the by, is there any rule that says radar absorbing "materials" HAVE to be black/very dark? Can they be colored? I'm planning a whif stealth build pretty soon and was wondering.

[PR19_Kit]

EDIT: By the by, is there any rule that says radar absorbing "materials" HAVE to be black/very dark? Can they be colored? I'm planning a whif stealth build pretty soon and was wondering.

That does look very good, doesn't it? 

As for the black, isn't it because stealth aircraft are meant to carry out their missions at night, so as not to be seen visually, and black helps out somewhat then? I don't know that for certain but it seems logical.

In reverse logic I think I'll paint my Italeri B-2 bomber in RAF 1960s anti-flash white, just because...... 

[Squizzette]

EDIT: By the by, is there any rule that says radar absorbing "materials" HAVE to be black/very dark? Can they be colored? I'm planning a whif stealth build pretty soon and was wondering.
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A lot of modern naval vessels incorporate RAM in their structure and they are generally some form of grey. Some time ago I worked on some trials of various equipment that had a covers made up of moulded RAM panels. They were coloured black, a low vis grey, and a sea grey/green which resulted in a quite good visual camo pattern. I also worked on some trials of various radar absorbent paints, one of which was a spectacularly boring brown. The one major commonality I noticed was that they were all very "matte" in finish, which I always assumed was just an effect of the materials themselves.

[TheChronicOne]

EDIT: By the by, is there any rule that says radar absorbing "materials" HAVE to be black/very dark? Can they be colored? I'm planning a whif stealth build pretty soon and was wondering.

That does look very good, doesn't it? 

It does.. I love it so much I want to copy it. I'm guessing some of the transfers were home-made. The flag, for instance.... I kind of doubt that came on any sheets made by mainstream companies.

As for the black, isn't it because stealth aircraft are meant to carry out their missions at night, so as not to be seen visually, and black helps out somewhat then? I don't know that for certain but it seems logical.

That's the main thing I suppose... being black for moving at night but in all my time watching documentaries and reading up on it I can't seem to recall if anyone ever said whether or not the "stuff" could be colored or if it HAD to be dark.

In reverse logic I think I'll paint my Italeri B-2 bomber in RAF 1960s anti-flash white, just because...... 

You do this and you'll be my hero, GUARANTEED!

EDIT: By the by, is there any rule that says radar absorbing "materials" HAVE to be black/very dark? Can they be colored? I'm planning a whif stealth build pretty soon and was wondering.

A lot of modern naval vessels incorporate RAM in their structure and they are generally some form of grey. Some time ago I worked on some trials of various equipment that had a covers made up of moulded RAM panels. They were coloured black, a low vis grey, and a sea grey/green which resulted in a quite good visual camo pattern. I also worked on some trials of various radar absorbent paints, one of which was a spectacularly boring brown. The one major commonality I noticed was that they were all very "matte" in finish, which I always assumed was just an effect of the materials themselves.

Wow!! You got to work on some really cool stuff, had to have been a sweet job!!!

Thanks for the information..... this is great stuff because now I can create colored stealth aircraft without feeling guilty about it!

Also, WELCOME!! I don't think I've said hello to you yet.   

[Squizzette]

EDIT: By the by, is there any rule that says radar absorbing "materials" HAVE to be black/very dark? Can they be colored? I'm planning a whif stealth build pretty soon and was wondering.

That does look very good, doesn't it? 

It does.. I love it so much I want to copy it. I'm guessing some of the transfers were home-made. The flag, for instance.... I kind of doubt that came on any sheets made by mainstream companies.

As for the black, isn't it because stealth aircraft are meant to carry out their missions at night, so as not to be seen visually, and black helps out somewhat then? I don't know that for certain but it seems logical.

That's the main thing I suppose... being black for moving at night but in all my time watching documentaries and reading up on it I can't seem to recall if anyone ever said whether or not the "stuff" could be colored or if it HAD to be dark.

In reverse logic I think I'll paint my Italeri B-2 bomber in RAF 1960s anti-flash white, just because...... 

You do this and you'll be my hero, GUARANTEED!

EDIT: By the by, is there any rule that says radar absorbing "materials" HAVE to be black/very dark? Can they be colored? I'm planning a whif stealth build pretty soon and was wondering.

A lot of modern naval vessels incorporate RAM in their structure and they are generally some form of grey. Some time ago I worked on some trials of various equipment that had a covers made up of moulded RAM panels. They were coloured black, a low vis grey, and a sea grey/green which resulted in a quite good visual camo pattern. I also worked on some trials of various radar absorbent paints, one of which was a spectacularly boring brown. The one major commonality I noticed was that they were all very "matte" in finish, which I always assumed was just an effect of the materials themselves.

Wow!! You got to work on some really cool stuff, had to have been a sweet job!!!

Thanks for the information..... this is great stuff because now I can create colored stealth aircraft without feeling guilty about it!

Also, WELCOME!! I don't think I've said hello to you yet.   

Hehe, thanks for the welcome. I've been lurking here for a very long time and don't post much. Have yet to make the leap up to do a build and posting it

I was in the Navy back then and it had it's moments. It was a long time ago now though and no problem on the info. Personally, I think that all of you that actually post up your whiffery here don't have to feel guilty anyway but you'd have to think with modern "stealthy" material and coating technology they can created them in any colour they'd like. 

[TheChronicOne]

 

I like your style, bud....   

[Caveman]

For a display specific aircraft, why would you retain RAM coatings? Just paint it in paint!

I think I remember reading that black just happened to be the colour of the RAM material used for the nighthawk. As for black being a low vis colour, IIRC the RAFs hawks are painted black so that they ARE visible...

I think the preminence of grey RAM coatings is that they are deliberately low contrast and therefore contribute to visible wavelength LO properties.

[zenrat]

Given the materials these things are built from are RADAR absorbent then if they were painted the paint would also have to be RADAR absorbent or RADAR transparent.  If RADAR absorbent paint could be made then why not just use that instead of the RADAR absorbent materials in the first place?

[Caveman]

I think the answer is that neither the paint, nor the construction materials, nor aircraft shape are completely effective. It's a combination of coatings, structural materials and shape (and physical size and aspect, to complete the list) that determines the size of the radar return. So you could slap RAM paint on anything but it will be less effective.

But in whifverse perhaps we've cracked the problem and can create a material/paint that can completely eliminate radar returns.

[zenrat]

On my MiG 37 (Soviet GB) I posited that it had RADAR absorbent materials and undercoat and the colour coats were RADAR transparent and also protected the fragile undercoat (as ISTR reports about early stealth aircraft having problems because the special paint was prone to damage which reduced their effectiveness).

[TheChronicOne]

I was always of the mind that the color of the RAM would come from what was mixed into it, not painted over it. Like... the pigments are added when the stuff is made. Like colored concrete... instead of painting concrete and making it a slippery nightmare, you simply mix pigment into the batch then pour it and it dries that way. I always figured the RAM stuff would be colored in the same fashion. However the stuff is made, the coloring is incorporated into it. This is all speculative of course. lmao

But anyway!  One reason why I asked was because of an RAH 66 build that I would like to do in two darker shades of blue for the Cuban navy or some such. Castro definitely wants his RAM.

[Squizzette]

I feel like that must have been how they did it. When some of the panels I mentioned were damaged during the trial, the material was the same colour all the way through.