Khurasan Miniatures

rickshaw · September 16, 2013, 01:37:54 AM

Found this mob. 15mm and 28mm figures, vehicles, historical, Sci-Fi and Fantasy. Might be of some interest to some here.

Green Dragon · October 30, 2013, 02:35:18 PM

Quite like the Hind jet vtol and Caiman APC.

Paul Harrison

Captain Canada · October 30, 2013, 04:14:23 PM

Ya I like that Hoverhind too ! A lot of neat stuff in there. What do 15 and 28mm scale out to ?

rickshaw · October 30, 2013, 04:55:18 PM

Quote from: Captain Canada on October 30, 2013, 04:14:23 PM
Ya I like that Hoverhind too ! A lot of neat stuff in there. What do 15 and 28mm scale out to ?

No one knows.

It all depends on how the figure is measured. Is it from the bottom of the foot to the top of the head? Is it from the bottom of the base to the top of the head? Is it from the bottom of the foot to eyelevel? I've seen all three of those definitions used, with the consequence while one manufacture will claim 28mm for their figures, another's will be considerably taller or shorter 'cause they use other measuring methods. They are not so much "scale models" as "representational figures". It makes the vehicles problemative 'cause they don't really fit with "proper" scale models.

As a rough guide I generally work on - 15mm = 1:100, 20mm = 1:76, 25mm = 1:72, 28mm = 1:60, 30mm = 1/48. Those are very rough approximations though!

Weaver · October 31, 2013, 05:49:37 AM

The Khurasan stuff looks nicely made, but it's a bit derivative for my taste - couldn't they really come up with anything more original than the "Flying Hind"? Even the clearly Hind-inspired Star Wars gunships weren't that much of a blatant copy. Why do all "space marines" have to look like the ones from Aliens and have the same (very badly designed) APC?

Two other problems with figure scales are:

1. Proportion. Wargaming figures, even "historical" ones are often cartoon-like in their sculpting, with oversize heads, hand feet, and weapons. This makes direct comparisons difficult: just look at a realistic 1/76th figure next to a 20mm wargames one.

2. Scale creep. Even where companies have established standards for scales, there's a tendency for sculptors to push the size up to get just that little extra bit of cool detail in. This leads to euphemisms like "Heroic 28mm" which really means "oversize 28mm". If you compare "28mm" figures of today with those of 20 or 30 years ago, you find the former are often considerably larger.

NARSES2 · October 31, 2013, 08:42:46 AM

Quote from: Weaver on October 31, 2013, 05:49:37 AM
2. Scale creep. Even where companies have established standards for scales, there's a tendency for sculptors to push the size up to get just that little extra bit of cool detail in. This leads to euphemisms like "Heroic 28mm" which really means "oversize 28mm". If you compare "28mm" figures of today with those of 20 or 30 years ago, you find the former are often considerably larger.

Very much so. My 15mm ancients are now tiny compared to some companies. One reason why I gave up wargamming

kitnut617 · October 31, 2013, 11:52:08 AM

Quote from: rickshaw on October 30, 2013, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: Captain Canada on October 30, 2013, 04:14:23 PM
Ya I like that Hoverhind too ! A lot of neat stuff in there. What do 15 and 28mm scale out to ?

No one knows.

It all depends on how the figure is measured. Is it from the bottom of the foot to the top of the head? Is it from the bottom of the base to the top of the head? Is it from the bottom of the foot to eyelevel? I've seen all three of those definitions used, with the consequence while one manufacture will claim 28mm for their figures, another's will be considerably taller or shorter 'cause they use other measuring methods. They are not so much "scale models" as "representational figures". It makes the vehicles problemative 'cause they don't really fit with "proper" scale models.

As a rough guide I generally work on - 15mm = 1:100, 20mm = 1:76, 25mm = 1:72, 28mm = 1:60, 30mm = 1/48. Those are very rough approximations though!

I would say 30mm+ 1/48 is a bit small Brian. 1/48 is 1.5 times bigger than 1/72, 25mm x 1.5 = 37.5mm (or 38mm), a couple of figures I have in 1/48 seems to bear that out. Mind you that's basing it on a 6 foot guy. Now if your little chap was only 5 feet tall, you're in the ballpark ---

Steel Penguin · October 31, 2013, 12:43:56 PM

Kitnut not necessarily as rickshaw says the size of a wargames mini is an arbitrary value depending on manufacturer and there wants bottom of foot to eve level is one of the normally given amounts ( as a lot of early figs were for historical ranges that sported "big hats" shakos, miters etc.)
if you search back on my comments on this ive gone through it before a couple of times, needless to say ive seen 1:48 op herrick airfix figs, mixed well with 28mm empress minis modern afgan brits.
for vehicles its easier to get a "scale" as generally there more amenable to casting techniques and styles so a lot of company's are now going for 1:56 for a scale ( which is good for comparison but can be very tricky on Machine guns and similar fittings, as wargames stuff needs to have a greater durability than display stuff due to it being moved round frequently) and the limiting factor that just because it was used dosnt mean it will get made, so you can end up with multiple scales mixed across a table
for me it means that my 80s BAOR troops are 28mm the chieftains, ferrets, and cents they operate with are 1:56, and the Warriors are 1:50 ( and soon to be 1:48) and the BV206`s and Chally 1s are 1:48, while the WMIKs are 1:60 and the landys 1:43 ( soon to be replaced by 1:48 on both)
as ive said in the past I like my hobby but I hate it some times

NARSES2 · November 01, 2013, 08:14:14 AM

Quote from: Steel Penguin on October 31, 2013, 12:43:56 PM
for me it means that my 80s BAOR troops are 28mm the chieftains, ferrets, and cents they operate with are 1:56, and the Warriors are 1:50 ( and soon to be 1:48) and the BV206`s and Chally 1s are 1:48, while the WMIKs are 1:60 and the landys 1:43 ( soon to be replaced by 1:48 on both)
as ive said in the past I like my hobby but I hate it some times

The one that always got me was putting my Airfix Shermans (1/76) against a friends Hasegawa ones (1/72) there is no way the huge difference in size was down to the scale diff. I'm not sure what happened with those two but there is no way you could put them on the same table

rickshaw · November 01, 2013, 05:00:09 PM

The Hazegawa Sherman is notoriously over-scale, Chris. IIRC it works out to be about 1/60. Lovely model just the wrong bloody scale.

Green Dragon · November 01, 2013, 11:00:40 PM

Well that Hase Sherman has just come off my wanted list! Hadn't heard it was over scale (don't do much armour).

Paul Harrison

NARSES2 · November 02, 2013, 06:30:22 AM

Quote from: rickshaw on November 01, 2013, 05:00:09 PM
The Hazegawa Sherman is notoriously over-scale, Chris. IIRC it works out to be about 1/60. Lovely model just the wrong bloody scale.

Flippin' eck. I didn't realise it was that far out. Mind you Japanese kitmakers used some odd scales back then - 1/75 for aircraft etc. You still have to be carefull with some old Japanese kits that have been re boxed as 1/72. Some of them are nearer 1/90th, very nice but tiny compared to "real" 1/72