Harrier AV-8A

Started by diegoepoimaria, December 12, 2013, 07:16:40 AM

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diegoepoimaria

@ PR19_Kit  : Sorry, Crown, not matchbox ...

Yes, the sea harrier is directly derived from this one ... but it's very wrong ... forward fuselage is completely wrong, the canopy is horrible, the air intakes are wrong ... Plus, it didn't have nor the external tanks, nor the guns ...
I have used the external pylons from the sea harrier ( those with the sidewinder launch rails ) for this one.

@NARSES2 , do you realy like them? Thanks :D   :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :tornado:

kerick

Quote from: diegoepoimaria on December 13, 2013, 03:10:41 AM

@ kerick: I totally forgot that a harrier can perform a normal landing, or even a short rolling landing ... and that's my idea to avoid using the gunpods that goes away ... sigh ...
I was thinking that all the take offs would have been short rolling, and all the landings vertical for ... well ... for no reason ... Maybe i tought that a vertical landing in a dispersed airfield would have been easier than a conventional or short landing...





EDIT:yeah!


The Harrier is flexible that way. If a road is available it can be taken advantage of or still go vertical if that's all that is available. The trick with any aircraft is balancing fuel vs payload. Of course the best is hitting a tanker on the way in and on the way out!
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diegoepoimaria

Quote from: kerick on December 13, 2013, 10:05:10 PM

The Harrier is flexible that way. If a road is available it can be taken advantage of or still go vertical if that's all that is available. The trick with any aircraft is balancing fuel vs payload. Of course the best is hitting a tanker on the way in and on the way out!

Yep, but in israel, with hostile states alla round within 20 minutes of flight, you won't need tanker ( since tey will have to refuel you while on enemy airspace ... ), so i discarded the idea of using the refuelling probe ( even tought it's a nice probe ).
For now, the main problem is the absence of the gunpods, that triggered the idea of building a what if aircraft with bombs on the ventral pylons.

The harrier Gr 1 can carry up to 5000lb of internal fuel, plus about another 1500lb on external tanks ( yep, they're quite small ... ),but those takes the inner pylons , this reducing the aailable pylons only to the external one and the ventral one. But i would like to add a couple of IR missile, and so ...

Anyway, i'm putting on the primer, so i'll soon have a white harrier ... for a white christmas! :P
New pictures soon ...

PR19_Kit

Quote from: diegoepoimaria on December 14, 2013, 08:19:46 AM

The harrier Gr 1 can carry up to 5000lb of internal fuel, plus about another 1500lb on external tanks ( yep, they're quite small ... ),but those takes the inner pylons , this reducing the aailable pylons only to the external one and the ventral one. But i would like to add a couple of IR missile, and so ...


See this thread for an almost exhaustive discussion on larger under-wing tanks fitted to Harriers.........  ;D

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37986.0/highlight,g-vtol.html
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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Captain Canada

White Harrier ? Awesome. I have a 144th scale one primed as well, to be white with red trim as a Marines type in Arctic trials. Love that aeroplane !

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nighthunter

Makes me want to buy 1/144 Harrier kits, when I was younger I scratch built a Harrier Gunpod for a Sea Harrier in 1/144
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diegoepoimaria

@ NARSES2: Many many thanks,  ;D

@ PR19_Kit: Thanks, it's quite interesting  ;D

@ Captain Canada: For now it's just the primer, it will be a classic israeli three tone camo ... But yes, i tought on doing a winter camo harrier ... and the idea has not gone away !

@ nighthunter: How did you do it? I tried with one GR.1, but it was a little ... well ... simplicistic gunpods, to say the least ...


Ok, here's some new photos for you


That's a family shot ... yes, i have some harrier ...
You can see the what if harrier, a USMC harrier AV-8A, a work in progress harrier and a GR.1 ( the only one painted ). Sadly, they have quite a lot of problems, like a wrong shaped nose, that was corrected only after the painting of the GR.1 ( and thus the unpainted nose, that will have to be repainted )


The AV-8I from above, with the primer ... it will need some correction, but the main work is done i belive ...


From below ...


Closeup of the nose ...

And now, the GR.1


It will need some correction on the roundels and on the nose, plus the outtrigger wheels will have to be repainted, as the nose.


From below, where you can see the scratch build gunpods ... wich aren't good ...

nighthunter

Diego, I beg to differ those gun pods are fantastic! I used the 1/48 scale AV-8B gunpods as a reference for mine, and a lot of patience and Strip/Rod styrene till it looked very similar, not to mention a lot of Xacto work too.
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PR19_Kit

Where the devil did you get THAT many Crown Harriers from???   :o

I've only ever seen one in my whole life and I snapped it up instantly to use as a master to make some resin copies of the noses for my 'Atlantic Conveyor' project.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

nighthunter

Academy Minicraft made the Sea Harrier in 1/144 for a while, I think they still do.
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PR19_Kit

That's the one I mentioned above.

Crown converted their GR1 moulds into a Sea Harrier and then both Mincraft and Revell sold it at different times. The mouldings are absolutely identical and the GR1 wings and the SHAR 1 wings are identical too.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

nighthunter

Oh, okay, so we are on the same page, they were done by Crown in the UK, Revell in Europe and USA, and Academy Minicraft here in the US. Interesting.
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PR19_Kit

Dunno if Crown were from UK, I thought they were/are Japanese, but that mould has surely got some air miles under it.  ;D

Of course, being 1/144 it's probably not THAT large I guess.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

kitnut617

Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 16, 2013, 02:15:02 AM
Dunno if Crown were from UK, I thought they were/are Japanese, but that mould has surely got some air miles under it.  ;D

Of course, being 1/144 it's probably not THAT large I guess.

Japanese Kit, back in the 60's,  Dragon also did a 1/144 Harrier --
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