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Following in the footsteps of the P.R.19 - the idea

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kitbasher

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NARSES2

I have sourced the kit, so I can get started when I get the current 3 completed
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lancer

SO I had a though while I was studying this afternoon - What if due to the introduction of anit-grav technology there was no longet a need for big, long wings??? - Discuss....
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lenny100

got a instesting idea for a 1944 build, more to come once i win some ebay kits
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: lancer on February 26, 2014, 02:13:39 PM
SO I had a though while I was studying this afternoon - What if due to the introduction of anit-grav technology there was no longet a need for big, long wings??? - Discuss....

HERETIC! Burn him at the stake!
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

kerick

Quote from: lancer on February 26, 2014, 02:13:39 PM
SO I had a though while I was studying this afternoon - What if due to the introduction of anit-grav technology there was no longet a need for big, long wings??? - Discuss....

Still need big long stabilizers!  ;D
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
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Weaver

Quote from: lancer on February 26, 2014, 02:13:39 PM
SO I had a though while I was studying this afternoon - What if due to the introduction of anit-grav technology there was no longet a need for big, long wings??? - Discuss....

I had a thought recently that anti-gravity would be more interesting if it was possible but awkward. In most sci-fi, it's either not there at all, or it's too easy: perfect handwavium that keeps people glued to the decks in spaceships or flying through the air in supersonic bricks without consequence or attention.

I won't get too far into thread drift with my original idea (huge vertical towers), but what if anti-gravity needed two large "opposite pole" units, equidistant from the payload, with a relatively low power consumption and payload capacity but an inconvenient minimum distance? In practice, this means that even a small, single-seat craft needs a pair of ten feet diameter generators on the end of 40 feet long poles sticking out of either side. Kit's long wings would be universally replaced by long "dumbells"..... :wacko: ;D
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Rheged

Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 26, 2014, 05:13:02 PM
Quote from: lancer on February 26, 2014, 02:13:39 PM
SO I had a though while I was studying this afternoon - What if due to the introduction of anit-grav technology there was no longet a need for big, long wings??? - Discuss....

HERETIC! Burn him at the stake!

Every organisation needs a court jester.  I will charitably assume that this was meant in an ironic fashion.  As to anti-grav, "SPACE 1889" posits "liftwood" as a means of aviating on Mars.  Some good steampunk potential there.
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Are losing theirs and blaming it on you....."
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JayBee

Quote from: lancer on February 26, 2014, 02:13:39 PM
SO I had a though while I was studying this afternoon - What if due to the introduction of anit-grav technology there was no longet a need for big, long wings??? - Discuss....

Or ANY wings at all!  :rolleyes:

Alle kunst ist umsunst wenn ein engel auf das zundloch brunzt!!

Sic biscuitus disintegratum!

Cats are not real. 
They are just physical manifestations of collisions between enigma & conundrum particles.

Any aircraft can be improved by giving it a SHARKMOUTH!

The Rat

Long wings would still be necessary in case there is a failure of the anti-grav system. If there's a failure you don't want to be cruising at FL900 and have wings the size of an F-104.  :o
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JayBee

True, the safety case for ant-gravity flight would be rather difficult to prove.
Mind you they somehow managed with jet powered, passenger carrying, heavier than air flight. Consider this :

You lock anything up to 500 passengers in an Aluminium (Aluminum to our American friends) tube.
You add bits sticking out the side (lets call them wings) and fill them with a volatile liquid. This liquid is the fuel for two or four hot air blowers that you also mount on these "wings" (lets call them jet engines).
Then you place the whole contraption at the end of a long strip of concrete or tarmac, and allow it to accelerate due to the thrust output by the jet engines.
Then you hope and pray that before it reaches the end of this long strip it will somehow defy gravity and rise safely into the air.
The alternative is large fireball at the end of the strip with accompaniment of tearing rending metal, snapping of bones, burning flesh, and dying screams from tortured throats.

Jet powered passenger carrying heavier than air flight –

I think NOT!
Alle kunst ist umsunst wenn ein engel auf das zundloch brunzt!!

Sic biscuitus disintegratum!

Cats are not real. 
They are just physical manifestations of collisions between enigma & conundrum particles.

Any aircraft can be improved by giving it a SHARKMOUTH!

lancer

Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 26, 2014, 05:13:02 PM
Quote from: lancer on February 26, 2014, 02:13:39 PM
SO I had a though while I was studying this afternoon - What if due to the introduction of anit-grav technology there was no longet a need for big, long wings??? - Discuss....

HERETIC! Burn him at the stake!

Oh come on; it wasn't that bad a thought
If you love, love without reservation; If you fight, fight without fear - THAT is the way of the warrior

If you go into battle knowing you will die, then you will live. If you go into battle hoping to live, then you will die

kerick

Quote from: JayBee on February 27, 2014, 06:31:32 AM
True, the safety case for ant-gravity flight would be rather difficult to prove.
Mind you they somehow managed with jet powered, passenger carrying, heavier than air flight. Consider this :

You lock anything up to 500 passengers in an Aluminium (Aluminum to our American friends) tube.
You add bits sticking out the side (lets call them wings) and fill them with a volatile liquid. This liquid is the fuel for two or four hot air blowers that you also mount on these "wings" (lets call them jet engines).
Then you place the whole contraption at the end of a long strip of concrete or tarmac, and allow it to accelerate due to the thrust output by the jet engines.
Then you hope and pray that before it reaches the end of this long strip it will somehow defy gravity and rise safely into the air.
The alternative is large fireball at the end of the strip with accompaniment of tearing rending metal, snapping of bones, burning flesh, and dying screams from tortured throats.

Jet powered passenger carrying heavier than air flight –

I think NOT!


Don't forget the disembodied voices in the buildings and the aluminum tube telling you where to go and what to do, and we do it!!
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
Tophe the Wise

PR19_Kit

Quote from: lancer on February 27, 2014, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 26, 2014, 05:13:02 PM
Quote from: lancer on February 26, 2014, 02:13:39 PM
SO I had a though while I was studying this afternoon - What if due to the introduction of anit-grav technology there was no longet a need for big, long wings??? - Discuss....

HERETIC! Burn him at the stake!

Oh come on; it wasn't that bad a thought

;D :lol:
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit