F-107's

Shasper · October 01, 2004, 02:44:57 PM

That thing kinda sits like a Vigilante!

Ves B)

Scooterman · October 01, 2004, 03:15:16 PM

Y'know, the more I stare at the two seater, I see a T-38/F-5B nose happening. I know two seperate canopies on the T-38/F-5B but the gentile curve looks real close.

I think a F-100F type cockpit area is too flat to use.

Damn, why didn't I but that Trumpter kit when I saw it!!!

elmayerle · October 01, 2004, 03:47:18 PM

QuoteY'know, the more I stare at the two seater, I see a T-38/F-5B nose happening. I know two seperate canopies on the T-38/F-5B but the gentile curve looks real close.

I think a F-100F type cockpit area is too flat to use.

Damn, why didn't I but that Trumpter kit when I saw it!!!

I think you might could use some of the T-38/F-5B cockpit details and perhaps the canopy, but the fuselage is most likely deeper. It's going to be a scratch-build there no matter what you do, IMHO.

elmayerle · January 16, 2005, 12:32:10 AM

Here's some material on the F-107's sibling from Columbus, the FJ-5 proposal:

(taken from material that used to be posted at http://www.air-navy.com/fj-4.htm but this site now appears to be down)

There are some vague reports of an FJ-5 version being planned. It was supposed to have been a competitor of the Gruman F9F-9 (F11F-1) Tiger and has been described as having a pointed nose and having the engine air intake mounted above and behind the pilot (similar to North AMerican's F-107 project). Although details are sketchy, I am assuming that supersonic level flight performance was enbisioned. However, this project never got past the paper stage.

Well, yeah, but they did build a model for the proposal. After his F-107 book got "put to bed", Bill Simone got these pictures of the model. He was gracious enough to share them with me:

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say it was powered by a J57 rather than the F-107's J75; hence the simplified inlet. It looks, at first glance, like a F-100D combined with a F-107 could go a long way as a starting point for modelling this one. I wonder if it would've challenged the F-8 as a gunfighter? I can see both F11F and F8U squadron markings as usable on this one.

Thoughts?

tigercat2 · January 17, 2005, 06:07:26 AM

I typed in "Jozef Gatial" in Goggle, and came across a fantastic site: http://pmc.sk/gatial/angelfire/

This gentleman has taken the "what if" concept to a fantastic high point - outstanding paintings!!

Wes W.

tigercat2 · January 17, 2005, 06:10:10 AM

Here is my small contribution to the What if F-107 world -

Wes W.

elmayerle · January 17, 2005, 08:23:03 AM

I'm quite familiar with "what-ifs" for the F-107, I've got a long-term project to do a WW version of the projected two-seater. The split stores pod is perfect for clean carriage of ECM's. What I'm interested in comments on is possible schemes for the FJ-5 and whether I'm reading the model correctly (i.e. J57 power with a back end like that of a F-100).

Bryan H. · January 17, 2005, 09:07:34 AM

QuoteWhat I'm interested in comments on is possible schemes for the FJ-5 and whether I'm reading the model correctly (i.e. J57 power with a back end like that of a F-100).

OK, what's an FJ-5?!?! Is it a navalized Super Sabre or a further development of the the FJ-4? Sounds interesting! B) Do you have a pic or line drawing?

Bryan

Swamphen · January 17, 2005, 09:43:29 AM

Quote

Evan's post had the pix...

Do I smell a modification to the Texas Navy's air arm ORBAT? ^_^

elmayerle · January 17, 2005, 10:21:05 AM

Quote
QuoteWhat I'm interested in comments on is possible schemes for the FJ-5 and whether I'm reading the model correctly (i.e. J57 power with a back end like that of a F-100).

OK, what's an FJ-5?!?! Is it a navalized Super Sabre or a further development of the the FJ-4? Sounds interesting! B) Do you have a pic or line drawing?

Bryan

As near as I can eyeball it, it appears to be something of a cross between a navalized F-100 and a F-107. This would fit the info my post of the 16th included. I wonder if a full navalized F-107 would then be a FJ-6?

Bryan H. · January 17, 2005, 10:51:28 AM

Duh! I guess I should have look to the posts above!

I think a more honest designation of the FJ-5 would be F2J-1 but I guess Congress might have had a hard time shelling out the $$dough$$ for a "new" airplane. In this scheme, a fully navalized F-107 might be a F3J-1.

Bryan

elmayerle · January 17, 2005, 12:28:45 PM

I suppose it depends on the mood of Congress, witness the F-86C/F-93, F-86D/F-95, and F-84F/F-96 numbers games. For that matter, F8U-3 for what should've been F9U-1. Fj-5 works for me.

Tophe · April 02, 2005, 10:37:51 AM

Quote
Quote
OK, what's an FJ-5?!?! Is it a navalized Super Sabre or a further development of the the FJ-4? Sounds interesting!
As near as I can eyeball it, it appears to be something of a cross between a navalized F-100 and a F-107. This would fit the info my post of the 16th included. I wonder if a full navalized F-107 would then be a FJ-6?

From my Belgian best friend:
"A few months ago there was a discussion on the forum (what if) about the North American F.107 and a planned Naval variant. Someone sent an illustration of a model Naval aircraft - North American FJ-5 project - mentioning the F.107 book in the Naval fighter series as the only information about. I found an other source, but no illustrations. Maybe ,someone is interested?"

elmayerle · April 02, 2005, 04:40:06 PM

Quote
Quote
Quote
OK, what's an FJ-5?!?! Is it a navalized Super Sabre or a further development of the the FJ-4? Sounds interesting!
As near as I can eyeball it, it appears to be something of a cross between a navalized F-100 and a F-107. This would fit the info my post of the 16th included. I wonder if a full navalized F-107 would then be a FJ-6?
From my Belgian best friend:
"A few months ago there was a discussion on the forum (what if) about the North American F.107 and a planned Naval variant. Someone sent an illustration of a model Naval aircraft - North American FJ-5 project - mentioning the F.107 book in the Naval fighter series as the only information about. I found an other source, but no illustrations. Maybe ,someone is interested?"

Hmm, so what information does he have/has he found? I'd definitely be interested in seeing it, Tophe.

Tophe · April 03, 2005, 10:37:58 AM

Quotewhat information does he have/has he found? I'd definitely be interested in seeing it, Tophe.

My friend wrote me: <<The source is : Air International :January 1993. Article: "Fury - the Navy's Sabre" page 44. ( at the end of the page - last paragraph) I send a photocopy to your new address. Have a nice day. Greeting to Evan/Elmayerle.>>
I don't know when I will be able to post something after receiving it - I am moving to a new home this week and I am not sure Internet will work soon. Sorry...

F-107's

Swamphen