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Viggenize it!

Started by The Rat, August 06, 2014, 05:33:48 AM

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Yeah, I know canards were around long before the Viggen, but it's such a cool aircraft that I'll use it as the poster-child for the concept. So, here it is: envision any well-known aircraft that could be modified with canards, and possibly an extended forward fuselage to accommodate them. I've often thought about doing it to a Vulcan, and recently the Javelin and F-106 came to mind. For some reason it seems more natural with a delta, but it wouldn't be required. We already know it was done with a few aircraft, the Kfir is the obvious one, and experimental versions of the F-4 and F-15.

Post pics, build a model, or just speculate, but VIGGENIZE IT!

Javelin concept, note that I just moved the horizontal stabiliser from the tail to the nose.



Scale-O-Rama Bombcorde fighter, never got around to tweaking the front and side views

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Quote from: The Rat on August 06, 2014, 05:33:48 AMI've often thought about doing it to a Vulcan, and recently the Javelin and F-106 came to mind.

Convair beat you to it, by about 60 years :wacko:



QuoteThe F-106X (Model 8-28/8-29) was a 1956 design study for a Delta Dart follow-on. This study envisaged an interceptor with a canard layout that was powered by a JT4B-22 turbojet fed by rectangular air intakes. It was envisaged as an alternative to the Lockheed YF-12 (later SR-71), and was to have had a fire control system with "look-down, shoot-down" capability fed by a 40-inch radar dish.  The F-106X was extremely advanced for its time with Mach 5 performance envisaged.
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Quote from: The Rat on August 06, 2014, 05:33:48 AM
Javelin concept, note that I just moved the horizontal stabiliser from the tail to the nose.



The Flatiron may well have flown better arranged like that!  ;D
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Ya canards always look cool ! The F-106 looks wicked. Might as well do an F-102 as well eh ?

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I have a viggen-ized MiG-23 on the (long agenda). Don't laugh, it's a real concept from China - one of the many evolutionaly steps of the stillborn J-9 fighter. At some time it looked like this:


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Isn't that the MiG-25 looking version?

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#9
Hmm, here's a thought: if they'd kept using Vulcans for low-level work a bit longer, and then done an extensive re-build/upgrade on them, you might have seen them fitted with small smart-canards for high-speed low-level gust alleviation, the concept being similar to the LARC (Low Altitude Ride Control) fins seen on the B-1.

Also, a quick jog around my hard drive produced this long-forgotten little number:

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Quote from: Weaver on December 28, 2017, 10:38:27 PM
Hmm, here's a thought: if they'd kept using Vulcans for low-level work a bit longer, and then done an extensive re-build/upgrade on them, you might have seen them fitted with small smart-canards for high-speed low-level gust alleviation, the concept being similar to the LARC (Low Altitude Ride Control) fins seen on the B-1.

Pretty sure that somewhere on my desktop computer I have a concept illustration I did years ago, Vulcan with a fuselage extension and canards.
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#12
Nice one!  :thumbsup:

I was just considering Viggenizing/Canardifying an F-8 Crusader funnily enough. However I think I'd exploit the deep fuselage by having the main wing set low and the canard set high, just behind the cockpit.


A canard F-18E/F would be a good project: kinda like a scaled-up big-brother of the Gripen, in the same mould as the Mirage 2000/4000 combo.
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The Airfix Lightning I just finished (due for beauty pics today) has Viggen DNA.  But not in the way you are thinking.

Rat's Bombcorde pics above, host on PB (hwoick ptuii) were visible to me yesterday but today I just get the Greypeg of Extortion.
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Quote from: Weaver on December 28, 2017, 10:38:27 PM
Hmm, here's a thought: if they'd kept using Vulcans for low-level work a bit longer, and then done an extensive re-build/upgrade on them, you might have seen them fitted with small smart-canards for high-speed low-level gust alleviation, the concept being similar to the LARC (Low Altitude Ride Control) fins seen on the B-1.

Also, a quick jog around my hard drive produced this long-forgotten little number:


Is that based on a C-130?