Vickers Victory and Vickers Windsor

[KJ_Lesnick]

I got two questions

1. Being that the Vickers Victory-Bomber and Windsor have some similarities in the form of an elliptical wing and speed: Were there any actual developments from the Victory bomber carried over to the Windsor?

2. Could the Victory-Bomber have been folded into the Windsor design provided provision for the normal arsenal of bombs, provision for either a greater top-speed or more defensive armament?

[maxmwill]

Having never heard of the Victory bomber, I looked it up. While Barnes Wallis did want to design this for one bomb only, as the bomb itself was very large, what was there to stop Vickers(after all, they did employ him), from considering the possibility of other munitions, say, a wider range than that employed by the Lanc?

Or am I being too simplistic?

And, were you referring to the conventionally appointed aircraft with the graceful elliptical wing, or did you also want to include the canard monster?

[pyro-manic]

Get hold of BSP1. It's discussed there.

[jcf]

Get hold of BSP1. It's discussed there.

BSP3 actually pyro.   

I second his recommendation to track down British Secret Projects: Fighters & Bombers 1935 - 1950.

The 'Victory' and other super-heavy projects are discussed and, in short, you have it back to front as to
what was used on what. 

[KJ_Lesnick]

Max W Mill

And, were you referring to the conventionally appointed aircraft with the graceful elliptical wing, or did you also want to include the canard monster?

I technically meant the elliptical winged design I suppose.


Jon Carr Farrelly

I second his recommendation to track down British Secret Projects: Fighters & Bombers 1935 - 1950.

I'm reading through a couple of books right now, and I've spent a few hundred dollars on gifts for family as well.  I'm not in the position to be buying more books.

The 'Victory' and other super-heavy projects are discussed and, in short, you have it back to front as to what was used on what.  

You cannot give me a basic summary if the Victory-Bomber was an inspiration for the Windsor?

[kitnut617]

The 'Victory' and other super-heavy projects are discussed and, in short, you have it back to front as to what was used on what.  

You cannot give me a basic summary if the Victory-Bomber was an inspiration for the Windsor?

The Victory Bomber came after the Windsor is what jcf is saying, most of them were as big as a B-36, the Windsor was only a bit bigger than Lincoln size

[pyro-manic]

I'm reading through a couple of books right now, and I've spent a few hundred dollars on gifts for family as well.  I'm not in the position to be buying more books.

Use a library. That's what they're for.

BSP3 actually pyro.   

Oops. I knew what I meant!

[Gondor]

I sort out my copies of Secret Projects into country and date with fighters before bombers if the dates are the same.

Had to have a quick read of the relevant book last night as the subject intrigued me and I would never have gotten to sleep if I had not looked at the subject. Basically the Windsor was designed initially as a replacement for the Wellington. The design was then developed into a larger and heavier aircraft for use in the Pacific theatre but ended up not being an improvement over the Lancaster Mk IV which later became known as the Lincoln.

Other designs by Vickers for heavy bombers, I didn't read all of the info, covered several layouts nearly all of which were six engined aircraft and included both conventional layouts as well as canard layouts and a tail less design.

Hope this helps.

Gondor

[NARSES2]

Must admit if someone was to do one of those Vickers canard projects in 1/144th I would be seriously tempted

[KJ_Lesnick]

The Victory Bomber came after the Windsor is what jcf is saying

1. That would have been helpful if that would have been said

2. The Windsor was designed to Air Ministry specification B.5/41, than later to B.3/42: If I understand my terminology correctly, that means the specification was issued in 1941, then amended in 1942.  The Vickers Victory Bomber was proposed at a date that is unclear, but it was rejected though in May 1941.

3. I'm curious if the 1942 Windsor specification could have been amended to include a design more like the Vickers Victory-Bomber with the exception of a more versatile armament.

4. There were various proposals (far as I know) for the various Victory-Bomber concepts: While some may very well have been similar in size to the B-36, some of them were similar to the B-29 in size (including a wooden wind-tunnel model which is on display at the Brooklands Museum) which reflects the following
............................-------..-.Vickers Victory../Boeing B-29

• Length: ......................97'0" ..........,,.....99'0"
  
• Wingspan: ..................172'0" .........-.....141'3"
  
• Wing-Area: .................2,675 ft^2.,........1,736 ft^2
  
• Aspect Ratio: ........,,..--11.0594 .............11.4928
  
• Loaded Weight: ....-....--104,000 lbs-........135,000 lbs
  
• Normal Payload: ...,,...-.22,400 lbs..........16,000 lbs
  
• Maximum Payload:--...--Same.................20,000 lbs
  
• Wing-Loading (Max): ....38.8785 lbs/ft^2..77.765 lbs/ft^2
  
• Wing-Loading (Normal): Same...............-75.4608 lbs/ft^2
  

[Captain Canada]

Interesting stuff. Gotta save some cash and grab a few of these books !

[kitnut617]

Must admit if someone was to do one of those Vickers canard projects in 1/144th I would be seriously tempted

I'm going to attempt the one on the cover of BSP-Fighters and Bombers --- Vickers Type 'C' in 1/72.  Got some donor wings and a fuselage already, figured out what u/c to use and what props will be needed.

[KJ_Lesnick]

Does anybody have any pictures of the Victory A/B as well as the C/D?

[Gondor]

Only managed to find this drawing of the Type C with a quick search of Google



Gondor

[PR19_Kit]

Needs longer wings.............