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Two seaters versus single seaters

Started by PR19_Kit, January 30, 2015, 10:57:05 AM

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NARSES2

You've now got me thinking about what a Sea Vixen would like with a twin place cockpit rather then the coal hole it had.

Jon I've always liked those Gloster single seat projects ever since I first saw them in Putnams.


Quote from: sandiego89 on January 30, 2015, 12:22:24 PM

Mitsubishi F-1- looks like they just sheet metalled over the second seat of the T-2


I think that's what they did. Swear I've read that somewhere
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Weaver

Quote from: NARSES2 on January 31, 2015, 05:34:50 AM
You've now got me thinking about what a Sea Vixen would like with a twin place cockpit rather then the coal hole it had.

Sea Venom canopy?

I agree with most of the list, however, IMHO of course:

The two-seat 1st gen Harrier is NOT better-looking than the single-seater: the canopy looks nice, but the goofy fin and tail spike spoil it for me.

F-9F Cougar: the two-seater DOES look better than the single-seater. There's nothing wrong with the single, it's just that the twin is so damned pretty.

The Skyhawk I would say is neutral: both versions look good for different reasons.
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sandiego89

Quote from: Weaver on January 31, 2015, 08:10:43 AM


The two-seat 1st gen Harrier is NOT better-looking than the single-seater: the canopy looks nice, but the goofy fin and tail spike spoil it for me.



Counterpoint, whats not to like about this one:

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jcf

The F-1 is a straight conversion of the T-2, the rear seat position replaced with an avionics bay and the rear canopy
replaced with a hatch.

Straightforward and logical.  ;D

sandiego89

Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on January 31, 2015, 09:30:00 AM
The F-1 is a straight conversion of the T-2, the rear seat position replaced with an avionics bay and the rear canopy
replaced with a hatch.

Straightforward and logical.  ;D

Agree a good approach, but it is uglier- and thus my nomination in this thread.   
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Weaver

Quote from: sandiego89 on January 31, 2015, 09:30:00 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 31, 2015, 08:10:43 AM


The two-seat 1st gen Harrier is NOT better-looking than the single-seater: the canopy looks nice, but the goofy fin and tail spike spoil it for me.



Counterpoint, whats not to like about this one:


Okay, I'll give you that the original T.2s were better than the T.4s...
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sandiego89

Quote from: Weaver on January 31, 2015, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: sandiego89 on January 31, 2015, 09:30:00 AM
Quote from: Weaver on January 31, 2015, 08:10:43 AM


The two-seat 1st gen Harrier is NOT better-looking than the single-seater: the canopy looks nice, but the goofy fin and tail spike spoil it for me.



Counterpoint, whats not to like about this one:


Okay, I'll give you that the original T.2s were better than the T.4s...

Agree. The all black T-8's, and G-VTOL especially in a few schemes looked good as well. The laser nose on the gr3 and t4 made them the ugliest of the family.
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PR19_Kit

I much prefer the looks of the later Harrier T10/TAV-8B to the equivalent single seaters, something to do with the balance of the fin and canopy maybe.
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pyro-manic

The Hunter and Lightning two-seaters are hideous. A tandem two-seat Hunter would probably be quite attractive, though. I think a side-by-side Venom-style canopy on the Sea Vixen would completely ruin it...

It really depends on the design, and sometimes further modifications made later on improve the look. The latest F-16s, for example, with the big spines and CFTs look much better than the earlier smooth B/Ds. I think a big spine would massively improve the look of the two-seater Typhoon, too.
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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Old Paul

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Quote from: Weaver on January 31, 2015, 08:10:43 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on January 31, 2015, 05:34:50 AM
You've now got me thinking about what a Sea Vixen would like with a twin place cockpit rather then the coal hole it had.

Sea Venom canopy?





How about a Modelimex Jet Provost canopy? (Must learn how to use the quote function)

McColm

Quote from: pyro-manic on January 31, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
The Hunter and Lightning two-seaters are hideous. A tandem two-seat Hunter would probably be quite attractive, though. I think a side-by-side Venom-style canopy on the Sea Vixen would completely ruin it...

It really depends on the design, and sometimes further modifications made later on improve the look. The latest F-16s, for example, with the big spines and CFTs look much better than the earlier smooth B/Ds. I think a big spine would massively improve the look of the two-seater Typhoon, too.
And yet the F-111 and the A-6 were both two seaters and not branded hideous as well!

ericr


this Mig-9L has its specificity, esthetically




sandiego89

Quote from: ericr on February 01, 2015, 01:31:57 AM

this Mig-9L has its specificity, esthetically



Wow, that is really ugly....and must have been a plumbing nightmare...
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