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KJ_Lesnick

March 03, 2015, 07:18:26 PM
I know the design had problems due to the following issues

  • Turbulent flow over the mothership's boundary layer
  • Slow response time of turbojets of the time
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I'm curious if it was possible for the XF-85 to have been usable if a skyhook more like the FICON's could have been used?
That being said, I'd like to remind everybody in a manner reminiscent of the SNL bit on Julian Assange, that no matter how I die: It was murder (even if there was a suicide note or a video of me peacefully dying in my sleep); should I be framed for a criminal offense or disappear, you know to blame.

rickshaw

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March 03, 2015, 07:31:59 PM
Perhaps this is your answer, Kendra/Robynne?   :thumbsup:
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PR19_Kit

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March 04, 2015, 02:25:35 AM
As the XF-85 project took place in 1948-9 and the fully developed operational FICONs didn't happen until 1955-6 the only answer can be 'Maybe'.

How would anyone know? They never DID use the fully developed FICON type trapeze with a Goblin so there's no real answer.
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JayBee

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March 04, 2015, 03:08:01 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 04, 2015, 02:25:35 AM
the only answer can be 'Maybe'.


Surely you mean "What If"

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March 04, 2015, 04:16:20 AM
I vaguely remember that (all development problems aside) the aircraft the XF-85 was meant to defend the B-36 from, the Mig-15 (and others), would have had it on toast. At the altitudes the B-36 was operating it was probably more manoeuvrable than the Russian fighters sent up to bother it ;D.

sandiego89

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March 04, 2015, 05:04:26 AM
Quote from: Librarian on March 04, 2015, 04:16:20 AM
I vaguely remember that (all development problems aside) the aircraft the XF-85 was meant to defend the B-36 from, the Mig-15 (and others), would have had it on toast.

I do not think the MiG-15 was on the designers of the XF-85 mind.  The original specification came out in 1942, later revised in 1944 calling for jet power, and then really designed in 1945- before the MiG-15.  Yes it would have been toast against a MiG-15- but it was not designed to defend against that.   

The FICON trapeze was much better than the trial trapeze on the B-29. 

I do wish we had a clearer picture of what the FICON's did in in their brief service time, especially any Soviet penetrations.     
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PR19_Kit

#6
March 04, 2015, 06:48:24 AM
Quote from: sandiego89 on March 04, 2015, 05:04:26 AM
The FICON trapeze was much better than the trial trapeze on the B-29. 

I do wish we had a clearer picture of what the FICON's did in in their brief service time, especially any Soviet penetrations.     

That's for sure, you can see the development of the trapeze in the various pics put out of the launches and recoveries. Sadly there's LOADS more pics of the original tests using the nose intake F-84F rather than those of the pukka RF-84Ks doing it, and the trapeze changed markedly over that time scale.

The whole operation still seems to be clouded in mystery even today, a big pity.
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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pyro-manic

#7
March 04, 2015, 07:15:25 AM
Perhaps it's still classified. Depends what naughtiness they actually got up to, I suppose. It will come out eventually, I would think.
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KJ_Lesnick

#8
March 04, 2015, 09:23:39 AM
Rickshaw

QuotePerhaps this is your answer, Kendra/Robynne?
1. You could spell my name right -- it's only five letters.

2. The Air vectors site did have a statement mentioned about a telescoping set-up that seemed practical


Librarian

QuoteI vaguely remember that (all development problems aside) the aircraft the XF-85 was meant to defend the B-36 from, the Mig-15 (and others), would have had it on toast.
From what I remember, it had a very high power to weight ratio (possibly better than the MiG-15), so I wouldn't be surprised if it'd climb better than you'd expect, and it's rate of turn would probably be quite good if it could outmaneuver a B-36 at altitude.

QuoteAt the altitudes the B-36 was operating it was probably more manoeuvrable than the Russian fighters sent up to bother it .
The MiG-15 was good to 51,000 feet and the F2H was able to bag the B-36 with similar high altitude performance.


PR19_Kit

QuoteThat's for sure, you can see the development of the trapeze in the various pics put out of the launches and recoveries.
So, I could just search for FICON trapeze?
That being said, I'd like to remind everybody in a manner reminiscent of the SNL bit on Julian Assange, that no matter how I die: It was murder (even if there was a suicide note or a video of me peacefully dying in my sleep); should I be framed for a criminal offense or disappear, you know to blame.

Librarian

#9
March 04, 2015, 10:22:06 AM
Obviously the book I read was a load of 'dingo's kidneys'. Didn't Mig-15s have problems with B-29s over Korea? My apologies, I read these books 25 odd years ago and my memory is not that good anymore....I'm more of a palaeontologist ;D.

PR19_Kit

#11
March 04, 2015, 03:42:58 PM
That's one of the BEST pics of the developed trapeze I've ever seen. Terrific stuff, from wherever you found it.  :thumbsup:
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

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#12
March 04, 2015, 04:24:31 PM
That is a great pic. Some interesting pics there.

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#13
March 04, 2015, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: KJ_Lesnick on March 04, 2015, 09:23:39 AM
Rickshaw

QuotePerhaps this is your answer, Kendra/Robynne?
1. You could spell my name right -- it's only five letters.

My apologies Kendra/Robyn.  Is it your real name...?  :rolleyes:
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KJ_Lesnick

#14
March 06, 2015, 11:20:03 AM
Librarian

QuoteObviously the book I read was a load of 'dingo's kidneys'.
Does that mean something like bullshit?

QuoteDidn't Mig-15s have problems with B-29s over Korea?
I don't remember that being an issue: In fact, from what I remember, attacks against B-29's by MiG-15's convinced the USAF to revive it's penetration fighter and create the F-101


Runway ? ...

QuoteIt's a start.
1. Sounds good

2. From what I read the biggest problems with XF-85 was the low mass of the XF-85 was more sensitive to the boundary flow layer around the bomber

3. Were you a member of PPRuNe?
That being said, I'd like to remind everybody in a manner reminiscent of the SNL bit on Julian Assange, that no matter how I die: It was murder (even if there was a suicide note or a video of me peacefully dying in my sleep); should I be framed for a criminal offense or disappear, you know to blame.
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