Had Payen and Fauvel joined forces and taken over Dassault

[maxmwill]

I know that Payen has been discussed here, and I think Fauvel has been discussed at one point or another, but here is a speculation in a bit of a different direction.

What might've resulted had Payen and Fauvel taken over the design department of Dassault, and convinced the powers-that-be in that company that they were the bee's knees when it came to fighter design?

[NARSES2]

Must admit I only know of pre war designs by Payen so are you talking pre or post WWII ?

Without being flippant I just have a feeling Bloch/Dassault would have gone bust and the French AF would have been flying a lot of Breguet designs or perhaps there might have been successful collaboration with the UK

[maxmwill]

Payen did have some post-war designs, the best known being the Pa.49 Katy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Payen_PA49_Katy_F-WGVA_Le_Bourget_29.05.57_edited-2.jpg

But then there was Fauvel, who designed mostly tail less gliders and light planes. But then, Alexander Lippisch started out designing tail less gliders and light planes, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fauvel_aircraft

All, I'm trying to speculate on is is Payen and Fauvel got together and too over the design offices of Dassault, or just about any other French airplane manufacturer.

[NARSES2]

Thanks for the link re Fauvel as it's not a name I was aware of  

Still can't get my brain around your proposition though, sorry

[maxmwill]

Still can't get my brain around your proposition though, sorry
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Well, it is a what-if proposition. Had Marcel Bloch not come up with his signature Mirage, what if  instead Payen and Fauvel took the reins of the design office? What  might have been the possible results? Say, Payen had thought further to resurrect his flying ambulances, the 190 or even the 240?

[jcf]

Payen et Fauvel at one of the state run aerospace entities would be more likely than the privately held Dassault.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCASO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCASE

[NARSES2]

Still can't get my brain around your proposition though, sorry

Well, it is a what-if proposition. Had Marcel Bloch not come up with his signature Mirage, what if  instead Payen and Fauvel took the reins of the design office? What  might have been the possible results? Say, Payen had thought further to resurrect his flying ambulances, the 190 or even the 240?
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Apologies I'm not being clear with my thoughts. I understand your question what I can't get my brain around is the idea of designers such as Payen getting down to the serious work involved in making their ideas work. He would be like a humming bird, flitting from idea to idea without much real output. I may be doing the man a disservice but that's how I see him. At the very least he would need a very good team of production engineers

[maxmwill]

I agree that he was like a hummingbird, but, had someone in the front office  gotten intrigued enough by some of his ideas, he might've been given a team to oversee.

[jcf]

The only way those two would 'take over' Dassault would be if Marcel Dassault was dead and the
surviving company management were very desperate. The more likely result of his death would
be the government forcing the company into joining the state entities, and thus Dassault would
have dissolved into the mass that eventually became Aerospatiale -> Airbus -> EADS.