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Landkreuzers P1000 Ratte & P1500 Monster

Started by seadude, March 19, 2015, 03:40:21 PM

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#15
March 21, 2015, 04:45:53 PM
Quote from: pyro-manic on March 21, 2015, 03:55:37 PM
There are some 1:25 and 1:16 tank kits. Not cheap, though.

Yeah, I'm betting my wallet wouldn't be able to handle scales that big. I also had the thought of using a 1/144 or other similar/large scale crawler/transporter from a space shuttle kit. But when I looked at the crawler treads/wheels, they seemed spread too far apart on each corner of the transporter.
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#16
March 22, 2015, 06:23:24 AM
how big is the tracked thingy that used to transport space shuttles to the pad?
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#17
March 22, 2015, 06:51:41 AM Last Edit: March 22, 2015, 07:02:10 AM by scooter
Quote from: eatthis on March 22, 2015, 06:23:24 AM
how big is the tracked thingy that used to transport space shuttles to the pad?

From Wikipedia
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Length   40 m (131 ft)
Width           35 m (114 ft)
Height   Adjustable, 6 to 8 m (20 to 26 ft)
Curb weight   2,721,000 kg (5,999,000 lb)

Quote from: seadude on March 21, 2015, 04:45:53 PMI also had the thought of using a 1/144 or other similar/large scale crawler/transporter from a space shuttle kit. But when I looked at the crawler treads/wheels, they seemed spread too far apart on each corner of the transporter.

Why not use the crawler transporter for parts instead of the whole thing? 
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#18
March 22, 2015, 08:01:13 PM
I just had a brainstorm!  :thumbsup:  :cheers: But........I'm not sure if it'll work. Theoretically, it might. I just bought the Dragon 1/35 scale American T28 Super Heavy Tank model kit. The way it has 4 tank treads plus a unique hull shape, might provide me with the means to put the 1/144 Dora gun on a larger tank hull frame.

Again, Sample B pic for reference:
http://s2.blomedia.pl/gadzetomania.pl/images/2012/10/c10-312959.jpg

Pics of the T28 model kit. Notice how big the hull is compared to paint bottles and other workbench stuff.
http://web.ipmsusa3.org/sites/default/files/reviews/t-28-super-heavy-tank/t28_tank_4_fenders_taped.jpg
http://web.ipmsusa3.org/sites/default/files/reviews/t-28-super-heavy-tank/t28_tank_3_fitting_fenders.jpg
http://modeler.us/sites/default/files/styles/watermark_2/public/products/B_DRA6750_02.jpg
http://s494.photobucket.com/user/NigelR32/media/Dragon%20T-28/Wheelsfitted_zps998aa46c.jpg.html

I like this pic because I'm willing to bet I can probably fit the Dora gun assembly within that center hull section. Looks like plenty of space, but I won't know for sure till I recieve the T28 kit and test fit parts.
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/075/d/1/dragon_t28_super_heavy_tank_1_35_part_3_by_bigboss2012-d7af312.jpg

Here's something interesting: For a real P1500, it was supposed to have two of these howitzers as secondary armament.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_cm_sFH_18
But even if I added them, I'm not sure where to put them?
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#19
March 24, 2015, 05:32:39 PM
The T28 Super Heavy Tank I ordered should arrive sometime by Sat. The 2 Takom Rattes I ordered should arrive sometime next week.

I'm still uncertain about this:
QuoteHere's something interesting: For a real P1500, it was supposed to have two of these howitzers as secondary armament.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_cm_sFH_18

On a real P1500 or on a model kit, where would they be placed? Or would they even have any value at all? To me, it doesn't make sense for the Germans to put shorter range howitzers on a larger self propelled artillery chassis. The only positions I can think of for placement are the front left and right corners of the vehicle. But would they also be on a rotating type turret as well? I can't seem to find any in 1/144 scale, so I may not add them at all.
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#20
March 24, 2015, 06:44:51 PM
The howitzers are in picture B, alongside the main gun. A bit pointless IMO. A pair of flak guns would be a better option. That would require some layout alterations, though, to get good fire arcs and clearance for barrels etc.
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#21
March 25, 2015, 06:40:48 AM
Quote from: pyro-manic on March 24, 2015, 06:44:51 PM
The howitzers are in picture B, alongside the main gun. A bit pointless IMO. A pair of flak guns would be a better option. That would require some layout alterations, though, to get good fire arcs and clearance for barrels etc.

I agree. The 2 secondary howitzers are pointless. I don't understand the need for them. I've been trying to find any "official" or other sources which would confirm them to be needed, but can't find anything yet. I'll add them only if absolutely necessary. To make/add them in 1/144 scale, I found these which could possibly work and be modified:
http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Tank-Gun-Pack-FFG-WTM17001/dp/1589944097/ref=sr_1_107?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1427252334&sr=1-107&keywords=1%2F144+scale+tanks

As for smaller anti-aircraft or other machine guns, since I bought two P1000 Ratte kits, I'll take the anti-aircraft machine gun turrets off the second kit and use them on the P1500 Monster.
Modeling isn't just about how good the gluing or painting, etc. looks. It's also about how creative and imaginative you can be with a subject.
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#22
March 25, 2015, 08:23:54 AM
Could the howitzers have been intended to fire smoke shells to cover the thing while it moved ? Or possibly to fire AP at any approaching infantry ? Both are slightly dippy but so then is the "real" thing
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#23
March 25, 2015, 11:22:38 AM
The smokescreen idea is quite a good one. For local defence I would think lots of smaller guns would be better?
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#24
March 25, 2015, 07:28:12 PM
QuoteCould the howitzers have been intended to fire smoke shells to cover the thing while it moved ?

Why bother? No amount of smoke, camo netting, or anything else is going to be good enough to hide/cover the P1500. It's too big and could probably be spotted miles away. And when it fires, there'll be a big enough muzzle flash and/or sound that anybody could see and hear which is a dead giveaway to the gun's location.

QuoteOr possibly to fire AP at any approaching infantry ?

Maybe? Not sure.
Modeling isn't just about how good the gluing or painting, etc. looks. It's also about how creative and imaginative you can be with a subject.
My modeling philosophy is: Don't build what everyone else has done. Build instead what nobody has seen or done before.

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#25
March 26, 2015, 12:33:52 AM
Anything to report Private?
No sir, nothing except that fog bank over there that keeps hurling huge shells at us...
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Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

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#26
March 26, 2015, 01:58:06 AM
Quote from: zenrat on March 26, 2015, 12:33:52 AM
Anything to report Private?
No sir, nothing except that fog bank over there that keeps hurling huge shells at us...

I can just hear a certain private Milligan R.A. saying that  ;D
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seadude

#27
March 26, 2015, 03:24:30 PM
I GOT 'EM!  :cheers:  :drink: I got the Rattes, Maus, and the T28. Pics will be coming either tonight, tomorrow, or Saturday. The Rattes, even though they are 1/144 scale..........are big! WOW! :blink:
Modeling isn't just about how good the gluing or painting, etc. looks. It's also about how creative and imaginative you can be with a subject.
My modeling philosophy is: Don't build what everyone else has done. Build instead what nobody has seen or done before.

seadude

#28
March 26, 2015, 08:00:09 PM
Preliminary pics are here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/72147279@N06/sets/72157651415576566/
Let me know what you think.

2 problems:
a) The Dora is going to have to sit inside not one T28 lower hull, but two! One just isn't long enough.  :banghead: So I had to order another T28 kit.
b) The 1/144 howitzers I mentioned from Amazon in a post further above are no longer available.  :banghead: Which I suppose is just as well as it means I can save money not buying them, plus I still don't agree with secondary howitzer armament being on the P1500.
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#29
March 26, 2015, 08:11:42 PM
Wow indeed...those are big ! This is going to be epic.

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