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Have you tried building the Blohm & Voss Ha 139 or Bv 142?

Started by McColm, March 21, 2015, 02:18:42 AM

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McColm

I put this info in the search box, but didn't get a straight forward answer.
The Blohm & Voss Ha 139 was a diesel four engined floatplane with inverted wings and twin tail. 3 were built for carrying the mail. The Germans used them for long range maritime reconnaissance and mine detection.
The Bv 142 was the landplane version, four were built. Both were armed.
They are roughly the same size as the Lockheed Constellation C-69.

Mach2 and Airmodel both do the kits in 1/72. The Mach2 models both suffer from glazing, quality of mouldsand fitting issues. The Bv 142 being the better kit, although they both look the same to me.
The Airmodel is vacform with resin and metal parts.
There's a German resin conversion kit, but I don't have any details at present.

Therefore a floatplane version of the Connie could be Whiffed- Connie Francis MkI and MkII. Heller and Airfix kits used. Military or civie airline.
Solid nose to replace the glazed nose or nose turret.
Search & Rescue or transport version. Engines could be replaced. Connie or B-29/50 wings.

ericr


I did a Ha139 soe time ago, the Mach2 kit : very Mach2, not easy but definitely original.

Quote from: McColm on March 21, 2015, 02:18:42 AM
They are roughly the same size as the Lockheed Constellation C-69.

are you sure? the Constellation seems to be bigger?


jcf

All variants of the Connie are much larger and heavier, the Ha 139 floats are much too small.

The converted military service of both versions was limited and they were neither suited nor effective in the role.
The Bv 142 was slightly more useful in the transport role.

McColm

Agreed,
Even the Lockheed Constellation C-69 is;
95ft compared with 65 ft 10 in length
Wingspan 123ft , 96ft 9
Height 22ft ,15 ft 9

But you could build a smaller version of the Connie, using the Ha 139/Bv 142 fuselage.

McColm

The wings from the Ha 139 would be put to better use on an B-17 or Shackleton as Whiffs. The Wellington , Halifax or even the Stirling. The Whitley is another possible (I hope the spelling is correct!).
Neptune?
There's nothing to say that the Connies wings can't be changed, going to have to buy the kits to see what needs to be altered.

ericr

playing with scales should make it possible ...

it makes me think of the Cant.Z.511, which was beautiful and not unlike the Connie


McColm

That's where I got the idea of the Connie floatplane from.

kitnut617

You would need some very, very large floats for a Connie, maybe even bigger than what I put on my Avro Nottingham. Max take-off weight for the Connie is 137,500 lbs, my Nottingham was planned around 100,000 lbs (the Nottingham is an enlarged Shackleton and I worked out the displacement for the floats I used as being just about right)
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jcf

Quote from: kitnut617 on March 22, 2015, 08:41:54 AM
You would need some very, very large floats for a Connie, maybe even bigger than what I put on my Avro Nottingham. Max take-off weight for the Connie is 137,500 lbs, my Nottingham was planned around 100,000 lbs (the Nottingham is an enlarged Shackleton and I worked out the displacement for the floats I used as being just about right)

That's a Super Connie weight, the earlier versions were not that heavy.

McColm


kitnut617

Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on March 22, 2015, 04:29:25 PM
Quote from: kitnut617 on March 22, 2015, 08:41:54 AM
You would need some very, very large floats for a Connie, maybe even bigger than what I put on my Avro Nottingham. Max take-off weight for the Connie is 137,500 lbs, my Nottingham was planned around 100,000 lbs (the Nottingham is an enlarged Shackleton and I worked out the displacement for the floats I used as being just about right)

That's a Super Connie weight, the earlier versions were not that heavy.

Agreed, but the Super Connie is the one you can buy as a kit isn't it ?
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: kitnut617 on March 23, 2015, 02:56:50 AM
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on March 22, 2015, 04:29:25 PM
Quote from: kitnut617 on March 22, 2015, 08:41:54 AM
You would need some very, very large floats for a Connie, maybe even bigger than what I put on my Avro Nottingham. Max take-off weight for the Connie is 137,500 lbs, my Nottingham was planned around 100,000 lbs (the Nottingham is an enlarged Shackleton and I worked out the displacement for the floats I used as being just about right)

That's a Super Connie weight, the earlier versions were not that heavy.

Agreed, but the Super Connie is the one you can buy as a kit isn't it ?

Didn't Airfix/Heller do the shorter length Connie at some stage? I recall seeing the early Supers with different coloured fuselage sprues as they packed the standard size wings and engines from the old kits.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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Thorvic

Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 23, 2015, 03:10:52 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on March 23, 2015, 02:56:50 AM
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on March 22, 2015, 04:29:25 PM
Quote from: kitnut617 on March 22, 2015, 08:41:54 AM
You would need some very, very large floats for a Connie, maybe even bigger than what I put on my Avro Nottingham. Max take-off weight for the Connie is 137,500 lbs, my Nottingham was planned around 100,000 lbs (the Nottingham is an enlarged Shackleton and I worked out the displacement for the floats I used as being just about right)

That's a Super Connie weight, the earlier versions were not that heavy.

Agreed, but the Super Connie is the one you can buy as a kit isn't it ?

Didn't Airfix/Heller do the shorter length Connie at some stage? I recall seeing the early Supers with different coloured fuselage sprues as they packed the standard size wings and engines from the old kits.

Heller did both the L-749 Constellation and the L-1049 Super Constellation. They also did the Warning Star, which certainly had a coloured fuselage

Minicraft do the super in 1/144 and F-Resin the standard connie in 1/144
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McColm

The wings on the Warning Star AWACS kit are blue and the fuselage is white.
The Heller Warning Star kit is longer than their C-69 but not as long as the Airfix Super Constellation. The Airfix kit has square windows and two different noses to choose from.
Most of the Heller 1/72 Connies come with wingtip fuel tanks as an option.
There are upgrade kits in 1/72 for the Warning Star in plastic, resin and vacform depends on which variant you are building.
There's a vacform kit in 1/32 scale as well.

jcf

I had a Heller L-749 kit which had white and silver sprues, white fuselage and a mix of silver and white for the wings.