The Rules

[kitbasher]

G'day Knightflyer, Mossie and I have had a chat and we've come up with the following in response.

A couple of questions for the moderators 

Are University Air Squadrons (UAS) military or civilian? (does it depend on the era?) One possible thought I'd had was a 'fairly basic' jet trainer (ie a Gnat) flown by a UAS?

UAS's are intersting, and you are right it does depend on the era. When the UAS's were part of the RAF then they would be military, however when civil contractors took over the role of UAS and ab initio training they are civilian organisations. So depending on which way you are WHIFFing, where (or better when ) your WHIFF starts is important.

I'm not so sure. The aircraft are on the civil register and operated by contractors today. My understanding is that a large proportion of instructor pilots (if not all) are military, even if they are RAFVR or VR(T).  I also think tge students (I think they are referred to as 'student pilots') will have a form of military status - if there are Acting Pilot Officers, etc, then they will.  Also tge aircradt are operated under military flying regulations and are regulated/headquartered by the RAF. Although not on the military register I would argue they are for all intents fulfilling a military purpose.

The Queen's Helicopter Flight, on the other hand, operates civil-registered aircraft flown by civil pilots and is funded by the Queen's Household. So a Queen's Helicopter Flight Chinook HC whatever, etc, would definitely be civilianised.

[Mossie]

G'day Knightflyer, Mossie and I have had a chat and we've come up with the following in response.

My efforts, if I suceed in getting started, will be repaint jobs (I'm not yet upto the chopping and changing that others do so well on here  ) So I'm thinking military versions of civilian airliners. The fact that some airforces might already operate a similar model of airliner wouldn't preclude doing it in the colours of another airforce? (eg I'm thinking possibly doing an Airbus A320 or Boeing 737 in RAF colours of some form?)

The fact that these birds were originally designed as civilian kit makes this OK, particularly if you are going to WHIFF a variant that has never seen military service before ( trying hard to think of an example, only coming up with Concordes, A380a and Caravelles  ).

Cheers

OKAY ...so to clarify, because (for instance) Boeing 737s have been used by Air Forces before it WOULDN'T be okay to take a (for instance) Revell 737 and put it in an RAF (who haven't used it before at all!) scheme 

I've had a chat with the other mods and it's okay to put anything civilian into military service, even if it's seen military service in the real world and vice versa.  There's so many civil things that have seen military service that there wouldn't be much to choose from, the reverse is true to a lesser extent.

[zenrat]

So an armed Tiger Moth last ditch defence fighter is OK?
Although I might save it for the BoB GB.

[Mossie]

Yes, but you're right, it 's a perfect fit for the BoB GB.  Depend how desperate you are to build it!

[PR19_Kit]

So an armed Tiger Moth last ditch defence fighter is OK?
Although I might save it for the BoB GB.

A couple of those Vickers 40 mm would be good, but don't fire more than one round per salvo! 

[NARSES2]

So an armed Tiger Moth last ditch defence fighter is OK?
Although I might save it for the BoB GB.

Not to far fetched. There were plans to arm all trainers with light bombs to attack the landing areas

[zenrat]

So an armed Tiger Moth last ditch defence fighter is OK?
Although I might save it for the BoB GB.

A couple of those Vickers 40 mm would be good, but don't fire more than one round per salvo! 

I don't have any of them but I do have a 1/72 Bofors gun...

[scooter]

Random question...is a KC-XYZ variant an acceptable entry?

[Captain Canada]

An airliner doing AAR to lower operating costs ?

[Mossie]

Random question...is a KC-XYZ variant an acceptable entry?

How do you mean?  If it's something civvy and your turning into a tanker, or you're taking a tanker and putting it into civvy clothing (if
it's normaly civvy), then yes.

[scooter]

Random question...is a KC-XYZ variant an acceptable entry?

How do you mean?  If it's something civvy and your turning into a tanker, or you're taking a tanker and putting it into civvy clothing (if
it's normaly civvy), then yes.

The latter.  Considering Boeing hasn't decided if they're going to offer it up as a tanker yet...

[Captain Canada]

Omega ?

[Mossie]

Sounds good, the 'missing' 717?

[PR19_Kit]

Sounds good, the 'missing' 717?

The KC-135 was the original 717, but was never named as such AFAIK. JCF will know all about it of course. 

[JayBee]

Yes it was known by Boeing as the Model 717, but to the rest of the world as the C-135 series.