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Gloster Meteor F.22 (was F.6) Swept Wing

Started by The Big Gimper, August 04, 2015, 06:50:52 AM

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PR19_Kit

Quote from: Devilfish on August 10, 2015, 05:02:14 AM
Bill Waterton (Gloster's chief test pilot) always said that the engines for the Meteor were in the wrong place, and should have been placed closer to the fuselage.  Maybe on a swept wing version (which they did contemplate), they would have moved them inboard?

They'd have had to do something with the main landing gear as it fills up all the space between the engines and the fuselage.
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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trickyrich

I like this idea very much and you do have to do a later version with the swept tail!

Are the wings, or should I say will the wings be to thin for the undercarriage to fold into them, fold forward and twist flat? You could put a slight hump in the top of the wing to accommodate the wheels, similar to the later F-4? The other way could be the widen the wing section between the fuselage and engine pod, this would then give you plenty of room for undercarriage. Bicycle undercarriage would work but you would then loose some of the "Meteor" heritage.

But I do love this idea so will be following with interest.

Rich

Devilfish

Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 10, 2015, 06:51:34 AM
Quote from: Devilfish on August 10, 2015, 05:02:14 AM
Bill Waterton (Gloster's chief test pilot) always said that the engines for the Meteor were in the wrong place, and should have been placed closer to the fuselage.  Maybe on a swept wing version (which they did contemplate), they would have moved them inboard?

They'd have had to do something with the main landing gear as it fills up all the space between the engines and the fuselage.

move it outboard

Dizzyfugu

Ah, those kitbashing challenges! I love it when the basic idea is great, but then the minor issues like landing gear, air intakes or wing spars come in the way...!  :party:

The Big Gimper

Yeah. It is no fun at all when the item in question actually should be able to fly, drive, or float.  :banghead:

Thanks for all your comments.  I have not decided and where to put the gear. It's like looking a 5 page dinner menu at a restaurant.  Paralysis by analysis.

@Trickyrick: If inboard, I would add the dorsal bulges.
@Devilfish: Outboard appears to feasible. I will test fit some EE Lighting gear and see how that works/looks.

I need more fuel so I want to keep the fuselage as is for the belly tank.
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tc2324

Such a simple idea and yet will look stunning.  :thumbsup:
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The Rat

Quote from: Devilfish on August 10, 2015, 05:02:14 AM
Bill Waterton (Gloster's chief test pilot) always said that the engines for the Meteor were in the wrong place, and should have been placed closer to the fuselage.  Maybe on a swept wing version (which they did contemplate), they would have moved them inboard?

Made this years ago, haven't yet turned it into plastic:

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PR19_Kit

Quote from: The Big Gimper on August 13, 2015, 03:31:47 AM

Outboard appears to feasible. I will test fit some EE Lighting gear and see how that works/looks.


It'll be a LONG way off the ground! But outward retracting gear is always a good talking point.  :thumbsup:
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Dizzyfugu

Well, I have a similar project in my mind like this, but it will be smaller than this Meteor - and I also cannot find a decent solution for the landing gear. Fuselage will be rather narrow, 45° swept wings (shoulder-mounted) and tail, engines in nacelles directly under the wings.
An Ar 234 solution for the landing gear would not work, and the wings are too high and thin for wells there. The engine nacelles are also too small to hold a decent, full size tricycle landing gear.
I will probably end up with a Yak-25-style tandem arrangement plus outriggers, retracting under or into the flanks of the nacelles (Vautour-style). It's really tricky! So I am curious what happens here. ;)

The Big Gimper

After much constipation. investigation, deliberation, perspiration, manifestation, transmigration, precipitation, delegation, reciprocation, prevarication, transpiration, revivification, vitrification, stratification, rustication, inspiration and obfuscation, I have the justification and aspiration to go with outboard of the engine landing gear.

I will transmutation the wing to use EE Lightning gear. I have made templates which I will use to carve out the space. I will have to remove the outer wing fence and add a bulge for the wheel. Once that's done, I will locate suitable nose gear.

Time for a celebration.
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zenrat

Quote from: The Big Gimper on August 15, 2015, 09:26:17 AM
After much constipation. investigation, deliberation, perspiration, manifestation, transmigration, precipitation, delegation, reciprocation, prevarication, transpiration, revivification, vitrification, stratification, rustication, inspiration and obfuscation, I have the justification and aspiration to go with outboard of the engine landing gear...Time for a celebration.

Good to see such dedication...

Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

The Rat

Quote from: The Big Gimper on August 15, 2015, 09:26:17 AM
After much constipation. investigation, deliberation, perspiration, manifestation, transmigration, precipitation, delegation, reciprocation, prevarication, transpiration, revivification, vitrification, stratification, rustication, inspiration and obfuscation, I have the justification and aspiration to go with outboard of the engine landing gear.

I will transmutation the wing to use EE Lightning gear. I have made templates which I will use to carve out the space. I will have to remove the outer wing fence and add a bulge for the wheel. Once that's done, I will locate suitable nose gear.

Time for a celebration.

At what location?
"My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." Hedley Lamarr, Blazing Saddles

Life is too short to worry about perfection

Youtube: https://tinyurl.com/46dpfdpr

Weaver

Quote from: The Rat on August 16, 2015, 06:14:21 AM
Quote from: The Big Gimper on August 15, 2015, 09:26:17 AM
After much constipation. investigation, deliberation, perspiration, manifestation, transmigration, precipitation, delegation, reciprocation, prevarication, transpiration, revivification, vitrification, stratification, rustication, inspiration and obfuscation, I have the justification and aspiration to go with outboard of the engine landing gear.

I will transmutation the wing to use EE Lightning gear. I have made templates which I will use to carve out the space. I will have to remove the outer wing fence and add a bulge for the wheel. Once that's done, I will locate suitable nose gear.

Time for a celebration.

At what location?

The station.
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RAFF-35

I built a swept wing meteor a few years back with the engines mounted on the fuselage, but I'm too thick to work out how to upload photos, using my tablet :/
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Gondor

Quote from: RAFF-35 on August 17, 2015, 12:56:18 AM
I built a swept wing meteor a few years back with the engines mounted on the fuselage, but I'm too thick to work out how to upload photos, using my tablet :/

Actually I subscribe to the idea that most people are not thick, just lacking knowledge, I am proven wrong from time to time though. Perhaps the information here will help as posting directly to the site is not allowed for technical reason so everyone has to use a third party such as ImageShack, Photobucket and Flicker. Other sites are available. Hope this helps.

Gondor
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