Austro-Hungarian Air Forces in World War 2, what roundels, crosses, chevrons

[Hardrada55]

 
If I understand it correctly, in World War 1, Austria-Hungary's army consisted of the Imperial Austrian Landswehr, the Royal Hungarian Honved and a "Common" Army. If Austria-Hungary had lasted into WW2, either in it's historical form, or as some kind of federal constitutional "dual" monarchy, what might the insignia used to identify Austro-Hungarian air force (or air forces) aircraft have looked like? Would there have been only one insignia for one air force, or might there have been "three" air forces, like there were three armies? Austrian colors were red and white. Hapsburg Imperial colors were yellow and black. Hungarian colors were red, white and green. Might not they would have used some kind of Austro-Hungarian insignia paired with something to show nationality, like the Hungarian red white and green fin flashes and chevrons used early in WW2?

[NARSES2]

I have an alternate timeline whereby Austro-Hungary continues (there is no WWI) along Federal lines. This was actually being considered by then Crown Prince Ferdinand for when he came to the throne, which he would have done in 1916.

I built a couple of models of AH aircraft and indeed have a few more lined up. I went with red/white/red bands on the wings and the Hungarian Coats of Arms on the fuselage.

Here's the links to the 2 builds I've posted on site, which also gives my brief background. Hope it helps

Chris

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,38443.0.html

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,39408.0.html

[Dizzyfugu]

If it's for a fictional roundel, maybe something like a Lebanese cockade, turned round by 180°, might be an option.

Here's the original:



The Hungarian Air Force used the chevron-style markings just before WWII, similar to what the aircraft carry today, just bigger and extended all long the wings and fin. The Austrain Air Force had just received its new roundel (a white triangle pointing downwards, on a red disc), which is also still in use today. Combining them would make sense, even though the overall political construct could call for something completely different? But the Libenese option can be easily improvised...  

[royabulgaf]

IIRC, Hungary used the "Lebanese" roundel briefly between restarting the air force and joining the Warsaw Pact.  I don't recall seeing any aircraft, but I understand the insignia was just on a few trainers.  For the Austrian side, you could replace the green ball in the center of the roundel with a red one.

[Dizzyfugu]

Yep, according to wikipedia the "Lebanese" roundel was in use in 1948-49. Here's a good overview (scroll down a bit):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Air_Force

[Geoff]

So the iron crosses were only due to their alliance with Germany for quick ID? As the Italians at that time had a Green outer White and Red roundel - could AH have used one similar to the modern Italian Red outer White and Green roundel???

[jcf]

https://flagspot.net/flags/hu-air.html

[Geoff]

Thank you