Piasecki Helicopters What-Ifs

[Thorvic]

There's a set of markings on my S&M British Antarctic Aviation sheet for a Beaver with roundels and Falkland Island Dependencies Survey markings, which is the pre-1962 name for the British Antarctic Survey. That would seem a good fit for the H-21: right period, plus the roundel implies it's a forces machine on loan rather than owned by the BAS themselves, which would be more likely for something as expensive as a helicopter.

You could also do one in the RN Antarctic schemes of either Black over Orange or the more familiar RAF Blue Grey and Dayglow Red operating off HMS Protector and then HMS Endurance.

An alternative to the Belvedere would be interesting too in RAF schemes

[Weaver]

There's a set of markings on my S&M British Antarctic Aviation sheet for a Beaver with roundels and Falkland Island Dependencies Survey markings, which is the pre-1962 name for the British Antarctic Survey. That would seem a good fit for the H-21: right period, plus the roundel implies it's a forces machine on loan rather than owned by the BAS themselves, which would be more likely for something as expensive as a helicopter.

You could also do one in the RN Antarctic schemes of either Black over Orange or the more familiar RAF Blue Grey and Dayglow Red operating off HMS Protector and then HMS Endurance.

An alternative to the Belvedere would be interesting too in RAF schemes

A turbo-Belevedere has been on my ideas list for ages. unfirtunately, by the time you've finished removing all the wrong-headed and questionable features, there isn't much Belvedere left...

I like the H-21 for the role of the alternative universe 1943 helicopter featured in Tony Williams' The Foresight War.

[jcf]

Jon you are maybe mixing it up with the Piaseki YH-16A a twin rotor helicopter that Revel issued in 1/96 scale.

Jim

Nope, I'm quite familiar with that, the kit was definitely the 16H compound and in resin.

[PR19_Kit]

OK maybe I'm going senile but I'm positive I saw a listing some time back for a kit of the Piasecki 16H Pathfinder compound.
Can't find anything now. 

Sounds like the sort of thing at Anigrand would do, or, perish the thought, Unicraft!  I can't see it either of their lists though.

[PR19_Kit]

A turbo-Belevedere has been on my ideas list for ages. unfirtunately, by the time you've finished removing all the wrong-headed and questionable features, there isn't much Belvedere left...

But the Belvedere IS a turbo anyway, isn't it?

[Weaver]

A turbo-Belevedere has been on my ideas list for ages. unfirtunately, by the time you've finished removing all the wrong-headed and questionable features, there isn't much Belvedere left...

But the Belvedere IS a turbo anyway, isn't it?

Sorry, I meant a sensibly turbo'd Belvedere, with the engines in pods not filling the fuselage section like the radials it started out with.

[PR19_Kit]

A turbo-Belevedere has been on my ideas list for ages. unfirtunately, by the time you've finished removing all the wrong-headed and questionable features, there isn't much Belvedere left...

But the Belvedere IS a turbo anyway, isn't it?

Sorry, I meant a sensibly turbo'd Belvedere, with the engines in pods not filling the fuselage section like the radials it started out with.

Ah right. It was a dumb place to put such relatively small engines for sure.

[jcf]

Baed on where Bristol was hoping to go, a tie-in with Piasecki in the mid-50s might have benefited both
firms, perhaps eventually Bristol-Vertol instead of Boeing-Vertol?

Note where they intended to mount the Gnomes on the Type 194.

BTW the first scheme Type 173 with podded turbines would be fun. 

[PR19_Kit]

The mind BOGGLES at the Type 199 with FOUR Tynes, for goodness sake! 

[Weaver]

Oh nice one Jon - cheers.

You know looking at those, there's really no excuse for that tall forward u/c on the Belvedere is there? The fact that the door sill was four feet off the ground was a major PITA in service, and it was only done in the first place to make clearance for ASW torpedoes under the forward fuselage. They could easily have dropped it down to a 173/192C arrangement.

My intention is to have podded, side-mounted engines, but still have one driving the front rotor and one the back in order to keep some 'Bristolness' to it. That means that, in order to avoid the rear engine eating the front one's exhaust, the front one will be on the left ('cos the door's on the right) and the rear one will be on the right. Should give an interesting look....

[PR19_Kit]

They could have clamped the torps on the side of the fuselage, like the Sea Kings did.

[KiwiZac]

Ball turret under the nose on an H-21 sounds awesome! I remember seeing several photos of the barbette installation somewhere, possibly in the Army Aviation Digest. I'll try and find them.

I do like the idea of a BAS one...any ideas for a Brit name for the type? Bristol Bow?

16H-1 model - Scalemates has nothing, perhaps it was a bonus kit included with another Anigrand kit?

[jcf]

Speaking of Piasecki compounds:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piasecki_X-49

http://www.piasecki.com/x49a.php

[Weaver]

I do like the idea of a BAS one...any ideas for a Brit name for the type? Bristol Bow?

Well Bristol mostly used names of palaces or stately homes beginning with 'B', like Blenheim, Beaufort, Buckingham, and Belvedere. How about Beaulieu? For a joke, you could give it a 'palace' name of somewhere that definately does NOT have a royal palace: Basingstoke.

Alternatively, given it's shape, how about a Bristol Boomerang?

[Old Wombat]

The mind BOGGLES at the Type 199 with FOUR Tynes, for goodness sake! 

Would make an interesting alternative to landing craft for the Marines.

LSH's out beyond visual/radar range of the shore, & the 199's coming in at wave-top height & 400mph!