The Old Kit GB - Rules discussion

[zenrat]

OK, usually i don't join group builds. I'm to slow to complete the project in time 

But one needs a challenge, so why not join this group build?? This is what I had in mind:

IMG_20160914_163828153 by David Dunnebier, on Flickr

Yes, that's one 1/96 Revell H-16 Piasecki and two Revell (Matchbox original) Twin Otters. I hope this entry is eligable: the Revell kit is old as the last dinosaurs (1955) and the molds of the Twin otter are, according to Scalemates, from 1983.

Cheers!
David

Love that box art.

[DogfighterZen]

Well, the Monogram 1/72 Bearcat is from 1976 but the Airfix 1/72 P-80 is 3 years older, so it fits in perfectly, and i even get to join two GBs simultaneously with it, it's also going to be my build for the Any type of Whiffery GB on the UAMF forum.

[NARSES2]

I have a question! This would be my first group build, ever, and am pretty excited. I found some great source material...  but the kit I want to build was already started... The fuselage is glued together and the wings are glued together.. (but not attached to each other) and the gear doors have been painted on the inside. Otherwise it's a virgin kit. My research at scalemates tells me it's a 1979 boxing with the new tool released in 1978. So.. the tool is prior to '85. So I have that locked up. Only problem is like I said about the already done stuff... but uhhh... it was done by the previous owner. 

Does this count?

PM the Moderators and ask them it is their decision

[NARSES2]

i got the airfix Beagle Basset, unfortunately not a original but the recent kick-starter, but i believe its from the original molds so does it count?

Rule 2 states it's the age of the origional moulds that count. So any repop is fine

Rule 2

An old kit is considered to be any kit where the moulds were originally tooled before 1st January 1985. Any boxing using those moulds is perfectly acceptable. Transfers (decals if you must) can be of any age you choose to use. In the case of kitbashes or the use of the aftermarket, 60% of the finished model must be from the original pre 1985 tools or toolings.

[NARSES2]

Well, the Monogram 1/72 Bearcat is from 1976

I plan on using the Revell repop of the Monogram Bearcat and when I checked it on Scalemates it said 1967.

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/102303-revell-04680-f8f-1-bearcat

[kitbasher]

You could build OOB using the kit decals and accurate paint colours and then change the colour of the pilot's scarf.  By the (IMO) overly obsessive standards of some RW modellers that would be enough to make the build "wrong" and therefore a whiff.

I've seen an argument develop over the number of kill markings an aircraft was carrying when compared to the date on the label which described it  They were arguing over one or two if I remember rightly.

Didn't Wooksta do something like that just to wind up the rivet counters?

[NARSES2]

He's done similar but what his intentions were I don't know

[Mossie]

I've got three currently shortlisted:

Revell Boing SST


Airfix Vigilante


MPC Daytona Transport Truck


First one will be OOB, but with decals that I need to acquire.  Second one will look roughly the same, I have two Vigi's and need to purloin a Tomcat nose (maybe).  Third one won't look anything like the box, I've got all the parts for this one so it's coming top at the minute.  That's if I don't change my mind, I've got a Revell Gruman Panther, Revell Rotodyne, Airfix Rotodyne and Airfix Shooting Star that might yet.

They all definitely fit the bill.  The only one I've got in mind that might not involves a Revell Victor wing and tail with a scratch built fuselage, it's on the edge of the 60% rule?

[Dizzyfugu]

I have a pair of aircraft kits (FROG and Kovozavody) with both moulds from the relevant pre 85 era earmarked for the GB, planning a kitbash.

And I am certain that I'll find more candidates in the stash...

[TheChronicOne]

I have a question! This would be my first group build, ever, and am pretty excited. I found some great source material...  but the kit I want to build was already started... The fuselage is glued together and the wings are glued together.. (but not attached to each other) and the gear doors have been painted on the inside. Otherwise it's a virgin kit. My research at scalemates tells me it's a 1979 boxing with the new tool released in 1978. So.. the tool is prior to '85. So I have that locked up. Only problem is like I said about the already done stuff... but uhhh... it was done by the previous owner. 

Does this count?

PM the Moderators and ask them it is their decision

Thanks, bud! I should have known that...    I'll get it together eventually..

[DogfighterZen]

Well, the Monogram 1/72 Bearcat is from 1976

I plan on using the Revell repop of the Monogram Bearcat and when I checked it on Scalemates it said 1967.

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/102303-revell-04680-f8f-1-bearcat

Well, i guess i got the numbers in the wrong order...
But at least my kit had the 1976 molded on to it.


Maybe that's only the copyright date?

[loupgarou]

I think I have hardly any post-1985 kit in my stash/collection! 
Tempted to resurrect the Heller J-29 I wanted to build for the Navy GB, and didn't touch. It's allowed to re-"use" a kit for successive GB, if no work has been done whatsoever?
Or, I have a big box of russian Frog-spawn Britannias and some pretty ideas. 

[jcf]

Well, the Monogram 1/72 Bearcat is from 1976

I plan on using the Revell repop of the Monogram Bearcat and when I checked it on Scalemates it said 1967.

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/102303-revell-04680-f8f-1-bearcat

Well, i guess i got the numbers in the wrong order...
But at least my kit had the 1976 molded on to it.


Maybe that's only the copyright date?

Added to the mould at that date, the kit itself is definitely of '60s origin.

[NARSES2]

Absolutely as Mr Carrfarrelly says 

Just to reiterate it's not the date your particular boxing of the kit was made but the date it was originally tooled or if you prefer and it makes it easier the date it originally went on sale.

[DogfighterZen]

Yep, i checked scalemates and that makes it the second 1967 mold i've built so far, the other one was the Airfix 1/72 F6F Hellcat.
But that was not the oldest, Monogram's P-40B dates back to 1964...