Chronic's Research and Aeronautics Project (C.R.A.P.)

[TheChronicOne]

 


Very well, I'll dial back my arrogance and try not to tempt the carpet monster any more. 


Wow, I just had a look over at my completed builds thread and it's been 5 weeks since I've finished a project. I really doubt I'll get anything finished today, especially considering all the errands and work I have scheduled, BUT...  since we're on the subject.... I COULD finish the Fokker. This one is nice in that........ all the gear are already on, and there are NO gear doors so the only fiddly bits going on are all the antenna like things on the wings and the ... telescope or whatever the hell it is on the nose.... a couple struts that support the tailplanes, etc.... so... ... . . . painting is next and even with a three color camo that has to be done reasonably accurately it might not take very long so if everything goes stunningly well I could clear it and be putting on transfers by mid afternoon in which case all that would be left are the 6-8 little pieces I mentioned.

That's all I have planned for now. I had to fill some sinks I caused on the nose of the Raptor and will sand that smooth today for another shot of primer. (speaking of, I need to pick some more of that up..)

[TheChronicOne]

Help!!! Fokker D.21....   Does anyone know if the belly color is the same shade of brown as in the camo on top?? I have, per usual, conflicting reference material. Some show them the same color and others have the two browns as obviously different shades....  soooo..... which is correct?! 

Once I get that straightened out I can proceed with the paint job! I've started it and just have to put on another coat or two of the tan color then I'll do the green. 

[PR19_Kit]

That pic you have above of the RW D21 shows the usual Dutch Air Force colour of the period. It's a sort of dark chocolate brown, MUCH darker than the brown on the upper side.

But I expect Hobbes will know the name and availability of the proper shade.

[TheChronicOne]

Wow!! Quick turn around! That's why I use y'all as my references a lot because even at the pace of message board it's never long before I have my info!!!


OK, so, this is from Wings Pallete and is the same exact illustration from the kit box.  This is what threw me off....  On THIS one, the brown on the bottom is actually the lighter shade. This is wrong, though, correct, and I should do it the other way around?  I see what you mean on the picture above, the brown on top looks lighter than that on the bottom so this below HAS to be wrong..



I have two good brown paints here, one is light and one is darker...   (probably not quite the right colors but will work fine, for me, as scale color which isn't going to be identical to what was used anyway....      ).



I think they look pretty good... that lighter shade seems to have the sort of reddish tint like I see in the museum picture up there so that's nice. Dark on bottom, light on top....  Good thing I stopped for a minute to double check this stuff because I was going to just slather the whole thing up in the same brown.

[TheChronicOne]

Time for an update!

I've worked on all four this afternoon and gotten quite a bit of good work done. I haven't messed anything up yet, either, so that's really nice! Nothing but forward progress.

Raptor had some sink marks in the nose so I fixed them:


Sanded down after putty.


Back to smooth again after a shot of primer.

So, that's that one caught back up. Next is to either start painting bays or go back to the missiles and PSR them. The mold lines need to go. Probably won't take more than 20 minutes. It's "work" but I'd rather do it than get to the transfers that go on them and be like, "Man, why didn't you sand those down first?!"     I can stop and glue hinges onto doors, also. I'd like to get these two/three things done before I start on the overall paint job. There's going to be a lot of masking involved in that but should all be straight lines.

Canopy section is glued onto the 737 now and I did the first round of sanding the seams. I ran another bead of glue around it to fill it in more then I'll sand one last time and whatever very minor shallow spots left over will get a glazing of.... glazing putty.



Still painting on the Fokker!! No pictures because it looks the same as it did earlier but I'm about to do the green. After that, I'll do the lighter brown that goes on top. Last will be the dark brown on bottom then that's it for paint until I paint the little fiddly stuff and canopy. Waiting on the canopy until after I do the plane itself so I can match the camo pattern up.

Last but CERTAINLY not least..... the Liberty!! We haven't seen this one in a while because I wanted to glue to dry up REAL good where I built the walls up. We're there, now, so the  nose was glued on.




I filed and sanded the C.R.A.P. out of it and I think it's good to go for now. I'll likely have a wee bit more to address after primer but for now, this will suffice.



Focus now shifts back to the PITA area that is the whole cockpit and canopy....     I sextuple checked (or whatever, probably even more times) the fitment and positioning to make sure it would jive then glued the windscreen to the canopy. I'll let it all dry nice and solid then I'll glue the whole thing on and it'll be time to mask it then start the final bit of sanding to make it all look nice. I might do a wee bit of painting inside the cockpit, first, though, because it looks mighty bare.

Anyway... about this cockpit glass.... I thought it was just a scratch in it but the windscreen is actually broken.... split damn near in two....   not much I can do about it. I just ran it all through future after a bit of cleaning and polishing and we'll hope for the best. That's one reason why I might paint and maybe add a thing or two inside the cockpit to make it busier in there and help hide that crack...       BUT ANYHOW... it's finally coming together:



Should be done in 2020.



Time for a cold one... I'm off work tomorrow so this is "my Friday."  Gonna swill this beer like a slob then back to painting on the Fokker. 

TTYL!   

[NARSES2]

The upper and lower browns were the same colour, Camouflagebruin.

Can't remember what I used now, but I know I didn't mix it. It was a dark chocolate brown whoever's it was.

The only specific paint I'm aware of is one that was produced by Colourcoats but purely for that large model shop near Amsterdam Airport. They produced a series of Authentic Dutch colours for them which were only available from the shop as far as I'm aware anyway.

[TheChronicOne]

Fokkin-hell!       Glad I haven't painted browns yet. (Project ground to a halt last night when I found out that I'm missing an entire window and the friggin tail-pipe of all things!  )

OK, so, that's what I thought I saw on certain photos but then I saw others where I could see the bottom being darker......    but, could it just be that it only LOOKS darker because it's in shadow and out of direct light?



Really nice picture, by the way, and there are a few more, if anyone wants a look, here:

https://www.jetphotos.com/registration/221

These dudes all have really nice cameras I guess! 

But, so, what I should do now is just paint it all one brown..  OK... got it. So that makes THREE "brown paint" configurations that I've set out to do... this is plan C. 

See... this is why I should stay away from real world stuff. 

[scooter]

Canopy section is glued onto the 737 now and I did the first round of sanding the seams. I ran another bead of glue around it to fill it in more then I'll sand one last time and whatever very minor shallow spots left over will get a glazing of.... glazing putty.

If you're going to start doing airliners and military derivatives of said airliners, stock up on airliner decal sheets- especially the ones that come with windscreen decals.  They'll save you (metric) ton(ne)s of headaches with masking the little b*st*rds.  Especially since you can't see anything in there anyway.

[PR19_Kit]

If you're going to start doing airliners and military derivatives of said airliners, stock up on airliner decal sheets- especially the ones that come with windscreen decals.  They'll save you (metric) ton(ne)s of headaches with masking the little b*st*rds.  Especially since you can't see anything in there anyway.

Well said, it's SO much easier than all that masking business. 

[TheChronicOne]

Roger that!! That's what I WAS going to do but the kit didn't have any and I'm broke so I just had to do this here.     I definitely plan to stock up, though, and I'll certainly not be constrained by what ever livery comes with the kits I'll be buying so I'll have a healthy library of them before too awfully long.

Speaking of, I found a set to put on a 727 that caught my eye... the old Ethiopian airlines one.     It'll have to do until I can figure out which one I rode on. 



EDIT: Oh yeah!! The UPDATE part, That's (The 737) what I have planned for today. That is if the glue is dry enough. It ought to be.  It's just a matter of sanding that down and it will be ready for primer... alas, I have to go buy some, though, so it will be on hold.

The Fokker, as I mentioned, has come to a halt until I can decide how to approach the tailpipe and window problems. I think I may just paint the window on? I think I could manage to cut out the hole for it,  I just don't think I can find anything clear to put in there! I mean, considering my skill level and tools available (and materials). I could maybe "look into" it though. I could always cut a piece of soda pop bottle off or something but it would have to be some damn fine cutting to sit flush with the fuselage without having gaps or simply fallen inside the plane. If not this, I'll paint it some grey color and make it high gloss and call it good.

The tailpipe should be easier to deal with, I THINK. I might have part of what I need in the spare parts stash and could make up the rest with sprue rods or... do it all with sprue rods... something. It shouldn't be too difficult though so I'm going to at least do that. I'm starting to wonder what else is missing from this kit... so far I've found the stuff on the props, a window, and a tailpipe. 

Start masking for the paint scheme on the Raptor after painting the bays. Should be easy, they all just get light grey and maybe a bit of black here and there to represent some of the guts.

Gluing on of canopy on the Liberty then it sits a couple days. I don't want to disturb it before I proceed to fill in any remaining gaps around the edges.

[TheChronicOne]

I've worked a little bit on 3 out of 4 today.

Raptor work was just sanding all the mold seams off of my missiles. I think they're AMRAAMS. I'll have to look again at the instructions. They have a really swell painting guide for them.     I also got the first coat of pale grey into all the bays. A bit of a PITA because of all the protrusions and shapes. Would have been far simpler to spray it but I managed. Doesn't look very pretty because I got paint well outside of the bays with all the jabbing and swirling around but it'll be fine.     One more coat will be needed, though, then I can go in and put some dark grey or black where necessary to match my reference photo:


Wikimedia commons.

I sanded more on the seams around the clear piece on the 737. I tried some emery boards I bought from the dolla' sto' (pound store). Got another obese 7 function one, too. Got these at Dollar Tree which is a LITERAL dollar store, unlike so many others, in that that nothing in the store is more than $1. Also painted and constructed some gear.



Work on the Fokker was minimal indeed. I don't feel like going through my spares right now so I just stuck with gluing the engine into the cowling then glueing it all to the plane. Glued on the little intake, as well.



Having seen it on my computer screen, I'm having second thoughts about the tan color.     I might mix up something better or just buy the right shade from the store. I'll cross that bridge after making the tailpipe, though.

That's about it for now, I guess! 

[Old Wombat]

Looking at that photo, the brown is the same in the camo scheme & undersides with shadow giving the darkening effect. It's also a red-earth/loamy colour rather than a brown-earth/chocolate-brown.

The tan looks to be fairly close to the DAK desert yellow & the green I think I have (but damned if I can find it) but it's brighter than the one you've used so far.

[zenrat]

The upper and lower browns were the same colour, Camouflagebruin.

Can't remember what I used now, but I know I didn't mix it. It was a dark chocolate brown whoever's it was.

The only specific paint I'm aware of is one that was produced by Colourcoats but purely for that large model shop near Amsterdam Airport. They produced a series of Authentic Dutch colours for them which were only available from the shop as far as I'm aware anyway.

Aviation Megastore.
https://www.aviationmegastore.com

[NARSES2]

The upper and lower browns were the same colour, Camouflagebruin.

Can't remember what I used now, but I know I didn't mix it. It was a dark chocolate brown whoever's it was.

The only specific paint I'm aware of is one that was produced by Colourcoats but purely for that large model shop near Amsterdam Airport. They produced a series of Authentic Dutch colours for them which were only available from the shop as far as I'm aware anyway.

Aviation Megastore.
https://www.aviationmegastore.com

That's the one mate.

IPMS Stockholm published this article which gives colour mixes geared to Humbrol and Xtracolour. Not much use in the States I know, but might be of some help.

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2005/06/stuff_eng_dutch_af_colours_01.htm

The green, 172, has been discontinued but my recent Humbrol colour chart gives matches to a few other manufacturers (not Testors) and FS numbers if that's any use ?

[TheChronicOne]

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Looking at that photo, the brown is the same in the camo scheme & undersides with shadow giving the darkening effect. It's also a red-earth/loamy colour rather than a brown-earth/chocolate-brown.

The tan looks to be fairly close to the DAK desert yellow & the green I think I have (but damned if I can find it) but it's brighter than the one you've used so far.

Thanks!  I've been scheming on it and I started out with colors that I "settled on" and knew didn't quite match up. Only one I'm truly happy with is the brown shade. It seems to be on target but I'm definitely having second thoughts on the others. I might have the proper green here already, I looked at some the other day.. I'll have to paint a little bit on my test bed and compare notes. I think I'm going to just buy some more shades of color anyway.

This is a good excuse to drop into the LHS.