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De Havilland Sea Venom

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DogfighterZen

#30
January 22, 2017, 02:08:46 PM
Looks good, i like dark schemes. :thumbsup:
"Sticks and stones may break some bones but a 3.57's gonna blow your damn head off!!"

TheChronicOne

#31
January 22, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
I like it!! 
-Sprues McDuck-

zenrat

#32
January 23, 2017, 01:32:00 AM
Cool.

I investigated a piston engined Vampire.  Trouble is they ride so low you need loooooooong legs to get the prop clearance.
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

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PR19_Kit

#33
January 23, 2017, 01:49:26 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 23, 2017, 01:32:00 AM

I investigated a piston engined Vampire.  Trouble is they ride so low you need loooooooong legs to get the prop clearance.


Which means the main leg pivot points have to move further outboard, and the nose leg needs a longer bay etc. etc. You end up re-designing the whole airframe.  :banghead:
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

zenrat

#34
January 23, 2017, 02:19:03 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 23, 2017, 01:49:26 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 23, 2017, 01:32:00 AM

I investigated a piston engined Vampire.  Trouble is they ride so low you need loooooooong legs to get the prop clearance.


Which means the main leg pivot points have to move further outboard, and the nose leg needs a longer bay etc. etc. You end up re-designing the whole airframe.  :banghead:

In which case you might as well make it a gull wing.

Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

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Librarian

#35
January 23, 2017, 03:01:44 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 23, 2017, 02:19:03 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 23, 2017, 01:49:26 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 23, 2017, 01:32:00 AM

I investigated a piston engined Vampire.  Trouble is they ride so low you need loooooooong legs to get the prop clearance.


Which means the main leg pivot points have to move further outboard, and the nose leg needs a longer bay etc. etc. You end up re-designing the whole airframe.  :banghead:

In which case you might as well make it a gull wing.


...which would look fantastic :wub: 

I remember reading that the gull wing reduced drag...was this on piston aircraft only or would it have been effective on jets too. If so, why so few gull wing aircraft?

zenrat

#36
January 24, 2017, 02:28:04 AM
I can't see why it would do so having the same or similar frontal area as a straight wing.
Although my theory of aerodynamics is based here on what early hot rodders did to go faster on dry lake beds and therefore is probably wrong.

Isn't it strictly speaking an inverted gull wing if its like a Stuka and Corsair?  A gull wing being if its like a Beriev flying boat.
Fred

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Librarian

#37
January 24, 2017, 06:34:49 AM
Whoops...my bad! Inverted it is :thumbsup:

PR19_Kit

#38
January 24, 2017, 09:49:01 AM
I suppose there's just a chance that a wing that joins to the fuselage effectively at a right angle, as does the Corsair's, might have less drag than one that needs to be heavily faired in, as with a Spitfire etc.

I have my doubts that there's much effect, but you never know.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

kitnut617

#39
January 24, 2017, 10:43:23 AM
That's why most airliners have their wings attached to a fuselage box Kit, so the wing is attached perpendicular to a surface which eliminates massive root fairings
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PR19_Kit

#40
January 24, 2017, 11:04:25 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on January 24, 2017, 10:43:23 AM
That's why most airliners have their wings attached to a fuselage box Kit, so the wing is attached perpendicular to a surface which eliminates massive root fairings

Inverted gull wings would look a lot better.  ;D
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

zenrat

#41
January 25, 2017, 01:06:40 AM
Mmmmmmmmm, inverted gull wing A380...
Fred

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Rheged

#42
January 25, 2017, 01:49:39 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 25, 2017, 01:06:40 AM
Mmmmmmmmm, inverted gull wing A380...

Why not?  It would blow all of the circuits in the average JMN brain!!
"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you....."
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PR19_Kit

#43
January 25, 2017, 02:05:47 AM
Quote from: Rheged on January 25, 2017, 01:49:39 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 25, 2017, 01:06:40 AM
Mmmmmmmmm, inverted gull wing A380...

Why not?  It would blow all of the circuits in the average JMN brain!!

For some reason I've got two Beluga kits in The Loft.............  ;D ;)
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

steelpillow

#44
January 25, 2017, 01:43:05 PM
Mmm, all that Airbus airliner talk reminds me that the DH Swallow was originally an aerodynamic scale model of the early tailless swept Comet proposal. Gull-winged Airbus don't need no stinkin' tail!

Rowing back a bit, a Sea Vixen with a low-set inverted gull wing and Merlin-powered ducted contra-fan would not need longer legs. I'd have said Griffon only its driveshaft is lower. Ah, well, maybe next time.
Cheers.
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