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Villiers Vindicator B1A (or B2 maybe..)

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It certainly is, and that's only half of it!  :o
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KiwiZac

Looking pretty darned good! But why must you make the nose-to-fuse join look so difficult? It took me mere seconds in MS Paint! :angel:
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Quote from: KiwiZac on January 29, 2017, 12:23:24 PM
Looking pretty darned good! But why must you make the nose-to-fuse join look so difficult? It took me mere seconds in MS Paint! :angel:

;D ;D ;D Maybe if I'd have converted your drawing to a 3D CAD/CAM file and then I could have printed the whole model out?  ;)
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Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

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rickshaw

What I'd recommend, Kit is to just leave it as it is and once you've fixed up the milliput and sanded it and so on, then, just use a razor saw and cut the nose off, put a small piece of plasticard as a shim in between it and the rear fuselage and realign it.

I had to do that twice when I was working on my Maritime Recce Canberra when I extended it's nose.  The first was to correct a slight misalignment and the second to correct the correction!  Silly me!   :banghead:
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Might also be worth extending the Milliputted area forward of the patch around the Vulcan nose to fair it in a bit better and lose the step, eliminating the sharp angle.

The wing looks to be too far back too.  Something about CofG issues.
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Quote from: The Wooksta! on January 30, 2017, 07:44:25 AM
Might also be worth extending the Milliputted area forward of the patch around the Vulcan nose to fair it in a bit better and lose the step, eliminating the sharp angle.

The wing looks to be too far back too.  Something about CofG issues.

That's in the plan anyway, it needs some Milliput 'cheeks' either side of the canopy to fair the sides in nicely, but the top and bottom will align OK once it's all filed down.

Because Roy Chadwick and George Edwards didn't co-operate on their various designs the Vulcan nose is quite a bit smaller in diameter than the Valiant's. Not only that, the Vulcan's cockpit is mounted on a sloping face and thus the two fuselage sections taper at different rates top and bottom.  ;)

I'm sure they did it deliberately, their thinking being 'Those thieving ratbags at Villiers aren't going to steal any of OUR designs any more!'  ;D

The B(PR)3's longer wing makes it look as if the CG is too far forward but the very heavy BAR cameras were mounted at the rear of the camera bay so there wasn't really a problem.............  ;)
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Quote from: The Wooksta! on January 30, 2017, 07:44:25 AM
Might also be worth extending the Milliputted area forward of the patch around the Vulcan nose to fair it in a bit better and lose the step, eliminating the sharp angle.

The wing looks to be too far back too.  Something about CofG issues.

Having a second look at the picture since Lee mentioned the wing position I would agree with him. It obviously means more work but moving the wing forward so the intake lip is roughly at the join between the different fuselage parts might be about right.
I also go along with Lee's suggestion of a larger area of the forward fuselage being blended into the rest of the fuselage, probably from the front of the cockpit rearwards?

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Quote from: Gondor on January 30, 2017, 10:33:26 AM
Quote from: The Wooksta! on January 30, 2017, 07:44:25 AM
Might also be worth extending the Milliputted area forward of the patch around the Vulcan nose to fair it in a bit better and lose the step, eliminating the sharp angle.

The wing looks to be too far back too.  Something about CofG issues.

Having a second look at the picture since Lee mentioned the wing position I would agree with him. It obviously means more work but moving the wing forward so the intake lip is roughly at the join between the different fuselage parts might be about right.
I also go along with Lee's suggestion of a larger area of the forward fuselage being blended into the rest of the fuselage, probably from the front of the cockpit rearwards?

Gondor

See above.

Moving the Victor wing relative to the Valiant's wing fairings would be a MAJOR task, and needs lots and lots of Milliputing. As it is it'll need a fair amount, but at least it's practical as it's going to be.
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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Regards
Kit

zenrat

Rather than moving the wing you could engthen the rear fuselage...
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kitnut617

Quote from: zenrat on January 31, 2017, 02:30:36 AM
Rather than moving the wing you could engthen the rear fuselage...

You beat me to it, I was going to suggest the same thing ---
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Quote from: kitnut617 on January 31, 2017, 03:31:29 AM
Quote from: zenrat on January 31, 2017, 02:30:36 AM
Rather than moving the wing you could engthen the rear fuselage...

You beat me to it, I was going to suggest the same thing ---

Not easy if you only have one Valiant, and I'm not shelling out on an Airfix one for a few inches of fuselage.

I'll see what it looks like when the nose if fully faired in and the tailplanes are in position.
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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Regards
Kit

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And it's MY model too.  ;D

Well, mine and yours too Zac.  :thumbsup:
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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