Soviet GB Suggested Rules

[JasonW]

I am being thick - a Mig-23 Flipper is kosher, but a J-8 development is not, unless in Soviet service; ie. Soviet IAPVO strai J-8III as a Mig-23? Sorry if I am muddying the waters, not my intention.

Correct. The MiG-23 Flipper was actually a developmental E-152 series aircraft built by MiG in USSR, so okay in ANY markings. The J-8, since a mostly Chinese development would have to be built in Soviet markings.

[jcf]

The MiG-23 designation was never applied to the Ye-152A (or any other Ye-152 design) by Mikoyan or the Soviet Union, it was a mis-designation by NATO.

[Weaver]

The MiG-23 designation was never applied to the Ye-152A (or any other Ye-152 design) by Mikoyan or the Soviet Union, it was a mis-designation by NATO.

Yes - the Russians misidentified it to the FAA as the Ye-166 when they needed to ratify it's world records. Because it appeared in a Red Square flypast, and looked like a logical next step from the MiG-21, NATO christened in the 'MiG-23' and gave it the ASCC reporting name 'Flipper'.

You could VERY easily concoct an alternative history in which Sukhoi fell victim to politicking (again) and MiG got the contract for the Su-11 successor with a Ye-152A development that had MiG-23-style side intakes and a big radar nose.

[JasonW]

The MiG-23 designation was never applied to the Ye-152A (or any other Ye-152 design) by Mikoyan or the Soviet Union, it was a mis-designation by NATO.

I understand that, but the OP was speaking directly to the Flipper and my reply was also directly referencing the Flipper so I didn't feel the need to explain the NATO error in more specific detail.

[Geoff]

Thanks for the clarification

[Weaver]

For clarity, here's a re-post of the rules with all the clarifications we've discussed incorporated:

1.  Group Build runs from 00.01 Saturday 28th January 2017 to 24:00 Sunday 30th April 2017.


2.  You can enter any kit/figure/story in this GB which relates to the former Soviet Union of Socialist Republics, i.e Russia in it's Soviet era. The model must either represent a piece of hardware created in the USSR and used by anyone, or a piece of hardware created anywhere, but used by the USSR. You can use your fertile imaginations to dream up alternative histories, but the link between the model and Soviet Russia must be clear and explained.

By way of example:

   a) A MiG-21 flown by the RAF is okay (whether the UK has 'gone communist' or not) because it's Soviet
       Russian hardware.

   b) A Hunter flown by the Soviet Air Force is okay (whether the UK has 'gone communist' or not), because it's
       in Soviet Russian service.

   c) A Hunter flown by the RAF in an alternative universe where the UK has 'gone communist' is NOT okay,
       because it's neither Soviet Russian hardware, nor in Soviet Russian service.

   d) An L-39 Albatross flown by communist Czechoslovakia is NOT okay, because it's neither Soviet Russian
       hardware, nor in Soviet Russian service.

Non-Russian copies of Soviet hardware are allowed if they are straight, or near-straight copies of a Soviet original, or are significantly modified from their Soviet original IF the Soviet origin of the source design is still CLEARLY apparent. However Non-Russian designs which are merely inspired by Soviet hardware, but which share no (or only a few) drawings with the original are NOT allowed.  So to use Chinese examples, the regular J-7 is allowed, as is the J-7FS (MiG-21 with chin intake and double-delta wings), but the J-8 is not allowed.

If you're not sure whether your build is eligible or not, please ask the moderators before starting work.


3.  You may build as many entries as you like (good luck!).  The posting of in-progress pictures is encouraged as always.  Back stories - however long or short - win extra points.  Well OK they don't but they're always nice to see.


4.  "Preparation" work is allowed prior to the start of the GB - this includes the cutting out and cleaning up of parts, even printing your own decals (!), but anything involving paint or glue is not allowed.


5.  Part-started models will be considered by the moderators. You should explain what you have done or post pics (even better) and they will convene and pass judgment, their decision being final - we are relying on the honour of our membership to uphold this rule.


6. No rule 6 - is there ever a rule 6 ?


7. Moderators - JasonW and Weaver.

[PR19_Kit]

So it's started then? I shall watch from the wings with great interest.

Mind you, Dizzy's probably finished his first one by now. 

[JasonW]

So it's started then? I shall watch from the wings with great interest.

Mind you, Dizzy's probably finished his first one by now. 

I figure he's halfway through the second build by this point.......

[Geoff]

Question to the mods -

I have a started pre-production Mig-21R. The fuselage and wings are on, but none of the mods are done. I think this falls outside the spirit of the rules - opinions please?

[Weaver]

Question to the mods -

I have a started pre-production Mig-21R. The fuselage and wings are on, but none of the mods are done. I think this falls outside the spirit of the rules - opinions please?

I think you're right, but I shall confer with Jason. Stand by...

[JasonW]

Question to the mods -

I have a started pre-production Mig-21R. The fuselage and wings are on, but none of the mods are done. I think this falls outside the spirit of the rules - opinions please?

I think you're right, but I shall confer with Jason. Stand by...

Geoff, both Weaver and I feel this one has just a little too much of the major assembly done for participation in the group build.

[Geoff]

I was thinking much the same - no probs

[Dizzyfugu]

A different question: will there be a dedicated "Finished project" thread? IIRC, the first work has been done (Comrade Harps' MiG-3T), and it's always nice to have a compact overview of what's been done?

[JasonW]

A different question: will there be a dedicated "Finished project" thread? IIRC, the first work has been done (Comrade Harps' MiG-3T), and it's always nice to have a compact overview of what's been done?

Yes, there will be a completed builds thread. I will get the topic set up this evening.

[Weaver]

A different question: will there be a dedicated "Finished project" thread? IIRC, the first work has been done (Comrade Harps' MiG-3T), and it's always nice to have a compact overview of what's been done?

Yes, there will be a completed builds thread. I will get the topic set up this evening.

Cheers Jason.