S&S Models

[Weaver]

S&S Models are primarily a wargames company, but they make an interesting range of conversion kits that may interest modellers too. I know I'm going to have a couple of things.

Shop front page: http://sandsmodelsshop.com/shop/

Peak turret as fitted to some FV432s: http://sandsmodelsshop.com/product/fv432-peak-turret/


Milan compact turret: http://sandsmodelsshop.com/product/milan-compact-turret/


AVRE conversion: http://sandsmodelsshop.com/product/centurion-avre-conversion-kit/


Supacat ATV :http://sandsmodelsshop.com/product/supacat-6x6-atmp/


TOW Hammerhead unit: http://sandsmodelsshop.com/product/twin-tow-hammerhead-at-missile-mount/


Centurion 105mm L7 conversion: http://sandsmodelsshop.com/product/centurion-105mm-conversion-kit/


Pack of three RWS: http://sandsmodelsshop.com/product/modern-remote-weapon-stations/

[chrisonord]

They all look pretty useful pieces. Just had a look on their site, some look a bit too "cartoony" for realistic models but, I am sure with a bit of sanding and reshaping they would look right.
Chris.

[NARSES2]

AVRE conversion looks good

[Weaver]

AVRE conversion looks good

Yep: my thought was to put it on other vehicles. Challenger I would be a natural if the surplus hulls wern't sold to Jordan. Alternatively, maybe the Germans got on the 165mm train and fitted it to the Leo I or Leo II? Lastly, the US vehicle for this weapon was an M60 with an A-frame crane on the turret, so how about if early M1s were converted to the same standard?

[Weaver]

Note that most of the links in my original post are now broken. The new homepage for S&S is here: https://sandsmodels.com/

[kitnut617]

why do they call 1/72 scale 20mm, it should be 25mm

[Steel Penguin]

wargames figures are measured from the sole of the foot to eye level  the top of the head is covered by hats and stuff so leads to massive size difference,  the height of a bearskin would through the measurement out completely 

[Weaver]

Plus there's the issue of scale inflation. Modern '28mm', especially 'Heroic 28mm', is WAY bigger than 28mm was 30 years ago. This is mainly due to it being the preferred scale of fantasy games, where realistic proportions arn't a priority, leading to 'cartoonish' sculpting, with oversize feet, head and hands. 20mm has largely avoided this problem since it's almost entirely used for realistic backgrounds like WWII or modern era wars, which also depend much more on vehicles, many of which are supplied by model kit companies who do stick to constant scale.

[NARSES2]

wargames figures are measured from the sole of the foot to eye level 

Allegedly 

Plus there's the issue of scale inflation. Modern '28mm', especially 'Heroic 28mm', is WAY bigger than 28mm was 30 years ago.

Yup. When I look at my old Jack Scruby/Hinton Hunt/Alberkan 20mm figures they are smaller then some modern 15mm ones (most of which are a nominal 18mm), and then I look at my Battle Honours 15mm stuff and some modern 5mm is almost as tall, and I'm only slightly joking 

I think Essex Miniatures were the first company to go "chunky". Mind you some of their ancient figures  (their specialty area) were fantastic 

[Steel Penguin]

yup guys  scale creep and mm as a scale are rather slap dash,  but are the closest that real scale comes to a lot of wargames stuff.
plus the fact that "true" scale on things like gun barrels or spears just lead to them being to weak to use.  compromise  is a thing ( fortunately)

[NARSES2]

yup guys  scale creep and mm as a scale are rather slap dash,  but are the closest that real scale comes to a lot of wargames stuff.
plus the fact that "true" scale on things like gun barrels or spears just lead to them being to weak to use.  compromise  is a thing ( fortunately)

Absolutely mate and it doesn't really matter as long as you don't try and have two different companies figures in your army who have a completely different interpretation of what constitutes 15mm. Mind you I swear one of my armies was beaten even before it entered the fray. They took one look at the other guys figures, which were way bigger, and gave up. Nothing to do with my tactics 

[Weaver]

It's quite amusing to put a realistically proportioned 1/72nd figure (say from an injection-moulded set) alongside a 20mm 'cartoon-sculpted' figure and compare/contrast...