What colour?

Started by rickshaw, June 17, 2017, 11:35:23 PM

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rickshaw

Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 18, 2017, 11:48:24 PM
Which all goes to show how useless photographs and computers are at reproducing colours.  :banghead:

Those two replica aircraft both you and I mentioned feature in that AirBritain page, and none of the colours there match any of the colours in your three pics above Brian.

I have worked with the Pantone computer system many years, decades in the past but that required specialised computer equipment and colour cards, to make the computer screen colours match the Pantone colours.    Personally, I always thought it was a waste of time.   What is required is for an international standard for VDU manufactures to sign up to and adhere to.   It will never happen.   :banghead:

The replicas were a fair effort IMHO but they obviously didn't have either the time or the ability to undertake the research required.
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PR19_Kit

When I was working we trialled some software that was meant to calibrate the VDU and printer to produce 'exact' colours, but it cost a fortune, I'm talking around £600 back in the 1990s, and we couldn't justify it with our requirements at the time.
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NARSES2

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Quote from: rickshaw on June 19, 2017, 11:24:20 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 18, 2017, 11:48:24 PM
   Personally, I always thought it was a waste of time.   What is required is for an international standard for VDU manufactures to sign up to and adhere to.   It will never happen.   :banghead:



Yes, but we all see colours slightly differently anyway. Just go into a dress shop and discuss the colour of items on display with a female of your acquaintance if you need proof  :angel: I do agree however that it would be helpful if colour reproduction in any form of media could be standardised.
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kitnut617

Quote from: rickshaw on June 18, 2017, 06:05:53 PM
The Deltic Blue appears closer than RAF Sky Blue, Kitnut617.

I wasn't looking at the deltic Brian, my point was the Spitfire was supposedly Cerulean Blue but in fact was RAF Pale Blue.  I've got some of that paint and in certain light does seem to change tone enough for it to be mistaken for another shade.
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jcf

Part of the problem when dealing with colour is that a name like Cerulean Blue is a generic term,
not an official term, and does not conform to an objective standard.
Any paint manufacturer can produce a paint called by that name that fits the rough definition.

rickshaw

Quote from: NARSES2 on June 20, 2017, 06:34:29 AM
Quote from: rickshaw on June 19, 2017, 11:24:20 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 18, 2017, 11:48:24 PM
   Personally, I always thought it was a waste of time.   What is required is for an international standard for VDU manufactures to sign up to and adhere to.   It will never happen.   :banghead:



Yes, but we all see colours slightly differently anyway. Just go into a dress shop and discuss the colour of items on display with a female of your acquaintance if you need proof  :angel: I do agree however that it would be helpful if colour reproduction in any form of media could be standardised.

Colour perception is a problem.  Women are better trained in it, it seems, being able to discern subtle shades that many men can't (or won't).   However, that is in perception, not in how to describe a colour in technical terms, which is what is required for it to be displayed by something electronic like a computer.

I often joke to my children that "women can discern thousands of colours, men can only discern seven and two of those are a bit 'iffy' at the best of times!"    :thumbsup:
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NARSES2

Quote from: rickshaw on June 20, 2017, 08:49:38 PM


Colour perception is a problem.  Women are better trained in it, it seems, being able to discern subtle shades that many men can't (or won't).   However, that is in perception, not in how to describe a colour in technical terms, which is what is required for it to be displayed by something electronic like a computer.


Ah, I see. I now understand what you mean  :thumbsup: I've no idea how you would describe a colour in technical terms though. Would it have something to do with how it reflects/absorbs light (put simply for my brain) ?
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Quote from: rickshaw on June 20, 2017, 08:49:38 PM


Colour perception is a problem.  Women are better trained in it, it seems, being able to discern subtle shades that many men can't (or won't).   However, that is in perception, not in how to describe a colour in technical terms, which is what is required for it to be displayed by something electronic like a computer.


Which is why although I may be allowed make the initial suggestion as to the broad colour Mrs z has had final say in the actual shade of paint in every room in the house except the office.  And I chose the colour for that based on the idiocy of the name of the paint.
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- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

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PR19_Kit

A Luftwaffe modeller thinks in RLM nos. and a USAF Viet Nam period modeller thinks in FS numbers though......
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

NARSES2

Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 21, 2017, 04:29:23 AM
A Luftwaffe modeller thinks in RLM nos. and a USAF Viet Nam period modeller thinks in FS numbers though......

The problem is Kit I've heard people using those terms to describe WWII RAF colours as well. I've actually seen it in a magazine article as well  :banghead: I stopped subscribing
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NARSES2

That cartoon is wonderful Scoot  ;D :bow: It probably simplifies the female side however  ;)
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: NARSES2 on June 21, 2017, 06:54:58 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 21, 2017, 04:29:23 AM
A Luftwaffe modeller thinks in RLM nos. and a USAF Viet Nam period modeller thinks in FS numbers though......

The problem is Kit I've heard people using those terms to describe WWII RAF colours as well. I've actually seen it in a magazine article as well  :banghead: I stopped subscribing


One of us even did it here a short while ago, talking about what FS shades were used on a RUSSIAN aircraft!!
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Old Wombat

Quote from: NARSES2 on June 21, 2017, 06:56:00 AM
That cartoon is wonderful Scoot  ;D :bow: It probably simplifies the female side however  ;)

This in a thread where we're discussing the intricacies of a shade of blue? :unsure:

Men see just as many colours as women, what the determining factor is is whether you're interested in the variations. Most women will look at your various shades of olive drab/green and say "It's green", usually with the undertone that it's a particularly repulsive green, as they have no interest in defining the various shades used in particular periods on particular vehicles. A car buff may be able to identify twenty different shades of red because that is what interests him.

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PR19_Kit

Quote from: Old Wombat on June 22, 2017, 04:48:04 AM

A car buff may be able to identify twenty different shades of red because that is what interests him.


There's a series of whole page ads running in classic car mags in the UK, which have over half the page in one giant splash of some colour. The text says 'This isn't red, it's Vauxhall Volcano Red' or other such phraseology.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit