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Alternative RAF Fighters

Started by TomZ, October 31, 2017, 11:49:56 AM

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1940:   No Spitfire Mk I and Hurricane Mk I but Martin Baker Viper Mk I



After Rolls Royce could not get the Merlin Engine to work reliable, the RAF turned to Martin Baker for its new fighter. The Napier Dagger engined Martin Baker MB-2 was named Viper and entered service in early 1939. In the Battle of Britain it proved inferior to the Me-109 both in speed and climb but managed to hold back the Luftwaffe, although just barely.




1943:   No Spitfire Mk IX but Martin Baker Python Mk IV



In the Battle of Britain the Viper proved inferior to the Me-109. This caused the RAF to accelerate the search for a successor to the MB-2. This turned out to be the Martin Baker MB-3 with a Napier Sabre engine of 2000hp. This proved more than a match to the Me-109 and was on equal footing with the new Focke Wulf FW-190.




1944:   No Hawker Typhoon Mk Ia but Hawker Tornado Mk II



After the disaster with the Merlin engine Rolls Royce put all its energy in the Vulture. And with success. The Vulture engined Tornado proved superior to the Napier Sabre engined Typhoon in almost every aspect.  Also this freed the Sabre production for the Python fighter, so the RAF chose the Tornado over the Typhoon. The Tornado was used as a fighter and an attack aircraft over France.






http://www.airwar1946.nl/whif/L46-AltRAF.htm


TomZ
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PR19_Kit

Absolutely wonderful Tom, great modelling and great backstory too.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

With the Merlin being such a bag of bolts, what did they do to help the Mustang out with its asthmatic Allison engine then?  ;)
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

TomZ

Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 31, 2017, 12:17:30 PM
With the Merlin being such a bag of bolts, what did they do to help the Mustang out with its asthmatic Allison engine then?  ;)

Ahhh, but you are wrong there. The Allison V-1710 was a very successful engine. It made the Allison company so wealthy that they bought Rolls Royce in 1951.

At least, it was in this universe......

TomZ
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DogfighterZen

Very nice work on all of them and backstory too, interesting scenario. :thumbsup:
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Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

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Knightflyer

Very nice - I thought at first glance the MB3 had some "Dewoitine d.520" as part of it's make-up, but I presume it's purely co-incidental (parallel design philosophies?)
Oh to be whiffing again :-(

PR19_Kit

Quote from: Knightflyer on November 01, 2017, 04:29:50 AM

Very nice - I thought at first glance the MB3 had some "Dewoitine d.520" as part of it's make-up, but I presume it's purely co-incidental (parallel design philosophies?)


I thought that too, it's that long slim nose that does it, and the cockpit position perhaps?
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Knightflyer

Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 01, 2017, 04:31:45 AM
Quote from: Knightflyer on November 01, 2017, 04:29:50 AM

Very nice - I thought at first glance the MB3 had some "Dewoitine d.520" as part of it's make-up, but I presume it's purely co-incidental (parallel design philosophies?)


I thought that too, it's that long slim nose that does it, and the cockpit position perhaps?

Remembering the odd bits of aerodynamic design I've picked up along the way (something had to stick!) - isn't the 'aft' positioned cockpit the best position - aerodynamically only of course?
Oh to be whiffing again :-(

rickshaw

Quote from: Knightflyer on November 01, 2017, 04:36:58 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 01, 2017, 04:31:45 AM
Quote from: Knightflyer on November 01, 2017, 04:29:50 AM

Very nice - I thought at first glance the MB3 had some "Dewoitine d.520" as part of it's make-up, but I presume it's purely co-incidental (parallel design philosophies?)


I thought that too, it's that long slim nose that does it, and the cockpit position perhaps?

Remembering the odd bits of aerodynamic design I've picked up along the way (something had to stick!) - isn't the 'aft' positioned cockpit the best position - aerodynamically only of course?

Normally the fuel tank occupies the most central position so that when the fuel is consumed, it causes the least trim change.   As the central position is also where you want to put your pilot, there has to be a choice, with invariably the result being the cockpit goes behind the fuel tank...
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NARSES2

Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 01, 2017, 04:31:45 AM
Quote from: Knightflyer on November 01, 2017, 04:29:50 AM

Very nice - I thought at first glance the MB3 had some "Dewoitine d.520" as part of it's make-up, but I presume it's purely co-incidental (parallel design philosophies?)


I thought that too, it's that long slim nose that does it, and the cockpit position perhaps?

Well that's 3 of us  ;)

Great builds Tom  :bow: Personal favourite is the  MB2 although I have a soft spot for the Tornado having built one myself in the past.
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Tophe

Great! :wub: :wub: :wub:
I thought RAF fighter warbirds was a boring subject, because too much famous, but with these additions it comes new again, thanks! :thumbsup:
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PR19_Kit

Wasn't there a D.520 unit that was manned mainly by Polish pilots too? The Polish 'squaral' on the nose would be another link for that.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

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