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DONE @p.4 +++ Dornier Do 319 B-1 "Seeschwalbe", Luftwaffe, mid 1945

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PR19_Kit

#15
November 22, 2017, 10:08:28 AM
Erm, I think I'm seeing where you going with this Thomas, but there seems to be a spare bit of wing hanging about there, the green bit.   :o

Whatever it's going to look like eventually, it's WONDERFULLY complex.  :thumbsup:
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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Regards
Kit

TallEng

#16
November 22, 2017, 11:33:00 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 22, 2017, 10:08:28 AM
Erm, I think I'm seeing where you going with this Thomas, but there seems to be a spare bit of wing hanging about there, the green bit.   :o

Whatever it's going to look like eventually, it's WONDERFULLY complex.  :thumbsup:

I expect its one of Dornier's trade mark stub wing floats.

Regards
Keith
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PR19_Kit

#17
November 22, 2017, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: TallEng on November 22, 2017, 11:33:00 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 22, 2017, 10:08:28 AM
Erm, I think I'm seeing where you going with this Thomas, but there seems to be a spare bit of wing hanging about there, the green bit.   :o

Whatever it's going to look like eventually, it's WONDERFULLY complex.  :thumbsup:

I expect its one of Dornier's trade mark stub wing floats.

Regards
Keith


Ah yes, you could well be right there.  :thumbsup:
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

loupgarou

#18
November 22, 2017, 02:17:25 PM
Well, I have to agree that at the moment is messy!  ;D
I think I'm seeing where you going with this too, but it frightens me.
Catalina style wings and Dornier sponsons on a jet plane.  :o  :o
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Dizzyfugu

#19
November 23, 2017, 12:03:26 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 22, 2017, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: TallEng on November 22, 2017, 11:33:00 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 22, 2017, 10:08:28 AM
Erm, I think I'm seeing where you going with this Thomas, but there seems to be a spare bit of wing hanging about there, the green bit.   :o

Whatever it's going to look like eventually, it's WONDERFULLY complex.  :thumbsup:

I expect its one of Dornier's trade mark stub wing floats.

Regards
Keith


Ah yes, you could well be right there.  :thumbsup:

Indeed!  ;D

And, yes, it's probably the most complicated way to "build" a simple Me 262 kit...  :rolleyes:

At the moment, the stub wings have been mounted to the fuselage, as well as the raised stabilizers, and it looks really good!

Test-mating the wings with the fuselage (in order to find the proper position) revealed that the pylon will have to be partly integrated into the back of the canopy. But its rear, fixed part will be cut off, anyway, and blending it into the fuselage and the pylon's base will look pretty conclusive.

Anyway, this test also revealed that the pylon is too long/high (with the engines on top of the wings and the deeper fuselage, this already looks massive - and then imagine it on its own wheels?), so I decided to cut off its "foot", blend it separately into the aircraft's spine, and then glue the wing onto it when the body work is done.
The test also revealed that the wing's mid section (the former lower Me 262 fuselage plate) will need some further serious trim, e .g. the trailing edge's shape and the overall profile - it's (still) pretty thick, and I need a more streamlined profile, also due to the aircraft's overall massive appearance.

Another issue that haunts me (from the beginning) is the necessity of wing struts. The single central pylon will hardly carry all the weight and dynamic forces, and a fat pylon is out of question for aerodynamic reasons. And it is a jet aircraft, supposed to be fast. But I think that I will (have to) add at least a pair of struts, between the upper wing (probably under the engines) and the float stubs or the lower fuselage flanks. Might look even more retro...?

I am also thinking about the paint scheme. Typical German colors, but probably an individual mix of tones - RLM 73/75 above with mottles (RLM02?) and RLM 65 below are current favorites.

NARSES2

#20
November 23, 2017, 05:58:52 AM
It's already looking very interesting  :thumbsup:
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Old Wombat

#21
November 23, 2017, 08:52:03 AM
Gotta weigh a ton with all that putty! :o
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PR19_Kit

#23
November 23, 2017, 10:52:46 AM
Ahah, TRHAT'S where the green 'wings' go.  :thumbsup:
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

KiwiZac

#24
November 23, 2017, 11:39:35 AM
Oh wow....jawdropping! I'm speechless (in a very good way)!!!
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jalles

#25
November 23, 2017, 11:43:08 AM
Awesome idea and it looks like it's really coming along.  Can't wait to see it with the wing attached  :thumbsup:

Dizzyfugu

#26
November 24, 2017, 12:14:38 AM
Well, this happened this morning, including a slight change of the design. Yesterday evening I got so far that I could combine the wing and the fuselage (pics to come later), and, while the overall layout and proportions looked fine, I found the resulting aircraft to be too tall, even without the landing gear. So I started shortening the central pylon bit by bit, and eventually ended up with the wing almost attached directly to the spine!

This led to the decision to modify the overall layout to shoulder-mounted wings, and now the gull wings make sense (again). This will also lead to a "fat" spine behind the cockpit, making the aircraft look even more massive, but this also has two benefits: I think I can leave the stabilizing struts away, which would have been necessary with the original, narrow pylon. And it offers more space inside of the fuselage, and now I even consider a small passenger/cargo cabin - changing the aircraft's role from a (probably very poor) single-seat fighter/attack amphibian to a fast recce/transport aircraft, maybe tasked with bringing intelligence personnel to foreign shores (or out)? The float stubs make a side door easily accessible, too. Furthermore, this new role might justify a more exotic paint scheme, e. g. with black undersides?

Slept over it, and lowered the pylon even more this morning. In this form the wing has been glued to the fuselage and I sculpted a new, more massive fairing between the two main sections with 2C putty, which is drying now. More PSR to come, though, but it'll be worth it.

The "Seeschwalbe" looks like a Grumman Pidgeon on steroids now!  :blink:

loupgarou

#28
November 24, 2017, 10:02:25 AM
Oh, yes, now has better proportions than the pylon version.
For a transport version, you could scale-o-rama it.
IF the poor Jumo engines can lift all that putty.... ;D
Owing to the current financial difficulties, the light at the end of the tunnel will be turned off until further notice.

dumaniac

#29
November 24, 2017, 05:03:12 PM
Man - I love the concept. Will have to add it to my to-do list in 48. I am building the wasser jaeger as you found on the web. I have large floats where the engines were and intend to put the jumo's just rear of the canopy on the back.

Nice going. Looks like a PBY catilina.  beautiful.

Bernie
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