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Fairey A-43A Gannet USAF Korean War Service

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TheChronicOne

#15
November 28, 2017, 08:44:43 AM
I'm blown away!! That looks like a million dollars.  :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:
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The Rat

#16
December 02, 2017, 05:29:30 PM
Quote from: b29r on November 27, 2017, 09:24:39 AM
Thanks all for your very nice comments . . . . you are all good sports  ;)  This old Frog kit was a lot of fun, but FAR from perfect with lots of little warts.  At least you can't see most of them due to the terrible pics!  :mellow:

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Weaver

#17
February 17, 2018, 06:01:19 PM
Nice one! I managed to miss this somehow...  :thumbsup:

I too have an attack-Gannet on the project list, but mine's going to be RAF-in-Vietnam in the CSAR escort role for which the USAF used the Skyraider.
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TheChronicOne

#18
February 17, 2018, 06:05:42 PM
Ohh man, that sounds good...   :mellow:

Expedite!
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Weaver

#19
February 18, 2018, 02:03:36 AM
Quote from: TheChronicOne on February 17, 2018, 06:05:42 PM
Ohh man, that sounds good...   :mellow:

Expedite!

One of these years.... ;)

It's not as straight-forward as it sounds to make a technically and operationally credible conversion. For instance, I can't see the RAF flying them in combat without ejection seats, but the Gannet didn't have any, and refitting it with them would be difficult to impossible as far as I can see. The pilot and navigator on the Gannet sit with their backs near vertical, the former up against the nav's instrument console and the latter up against a structural bulkhead. There just isn't the room for the raked backs and extra gubbins of an ejection seat. The best I can come up with is to remove the navigator completely and re-work the front cockpit as a single-seater with a new interior and canopy (the ASW operator in the back of the fuselage was always going to go!). However that raises the problem that the aircraft's spine behind the cockpit is triangular (like an F-102/F-106) and few jet canopies match up with it. You can't easily change it's shape either, since it's full of fuel tank.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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scooter

#20
February 18, 2018, 02:14:18 AM
Quote from: Weaver on February 18, 2018, 02:03:36 AM

One of these years.... ;)

It's not as straight-forward as it sounds to make a technically and operationally credible conversion. For instance, I can't see the RAF flying them in combat without ejection seats, but the Gannet didn't have any, and refitting it with them would be difficult to impossible as far as I can see. The pilot and navigator on the Gannet sit with their backs near vertical, the former up against the nav's instrument console and the latter up against a structural bulkhead. There just isn't the room for the raked backs and extra gubbins of an ejection seat. The best I can come up with is to remove the navigator completely and re-work the front cockpit as a single-seater with a new interior and canopy (the ASW operator in the back of the fuselage was always going to go!). However that raises the problem that the aircraft's spine behind the cockpit is triangular (like an F-102/F-106) and few jet canopies match up with it. You can't easily change it's shape either, since it's full of fuel tank.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

What about widening the cockpit, like an A-1E and having the pilot and nav side by side instead of tandem?
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TallEng

#21
February 18, 2018, 02:45:53 AM
Quote from: Weaver on February 17, 2018, 06:01:19 PM
Nice one! I managed to miss this somehow...  :thumbsup:

I too have an attack-Gannet on the project list, but mine's going to be RAF-in-Vietnam in the CSAR escort role for which the USAF used the Skyraider.

I did one for the RN in Sand and spinach, no third guy in the back and replaced the radome with a remotely operated turret with cannons and RPs under the wings...
It's on here somewhere, but the photos will be PBd.... :banghead:
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NARSES2

#22
February 18, 2018, 05:54:50 AM
How about downward "ejecting" seats, or is the nosewheel in the way ? Could make her a tail dragger ?
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#23
February 18, 2018, 06:50:47 AM
I like the paint job, looks great on a Gannet!

Quote from: Weaver on February 18, 2018, 02:03:36 AM

One of these years.... ;)

Don't think you need to worry about bang seats, the Seamew didn't have ejection seats and the RAF had a few combat types that didn't have full ejection capability (V-bombers comes to mind).  The RAF were kind of pushed into accepting the Seamew so when it was cancelled, maybe they were equally strong-armed to accept the only viable alternative?
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#24
February 18, 2018, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on February 18, 2018, 05:54:50 AM

How about downward "ejecting" seats, or is the nosewheel in the way ? Could make her a tail dragger ?


NOT a good idea I'm afraid, there's a big Double Mamba engine right under the pilot's seat!  :o

The pilot's cockpit could be replaced with the AEW version perhaps, that was a stand-alone item, and maybe have the GIB in the third seat, positioned as he was in the AS version.?
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Weaver

#25
February 18, 2018, 06:13:11 PM
Quote from: scooter on February 18, 2018, 02:14:18 AM
Quote from: Weaver on February 18, 2018, 02:03:36 AM

One of these years.... ;)

It's not as straight-forward as it sounds to make a technically and operationally credible conversion. For instance, I can't see the RAF flying them in combat without ejection seats, but the Gannet didn't have any, and refitting it with them would be difficult to impossible as far as I can see. The pilot and navigator on the Gannet sit with their backs near vertical, the former up against the nav's instrument console and the latter up against a structural bulkhead. There just isn't the room for the raked backs and extra gubbins of an ejection seat. The best I can come up with is to remove the navigator completely and re-work the front cockpit as a single-seater with a new interior and canopy (the ASW operator in the back of the fuselage was always going to go!). However that raises the problem that the aircraft's spine behind the cockpit is triangular (like an F-102/F-106) and few jet canopies match up with it. You can't easily change it's shape either, since it's full of fuel tank.... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

What about widening the cockpit, like an A-1E and having the pilot and nav side by side instead of tandem?

Too much structural work. I'm seeing the context for this as being a modification of about-to-be-scrapped ASW aircraft to meet an urgent operational requirement. The backstory already has a more elaborate conversion being canned when costs and timescales creep up.
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Weaver

#26
February 18, 2018, 06:16:34 PM
Quote from: Mossie on February 18, 2018, 06:50:47 AM
I like the paint job, looks great on a Gannet!

Quote from: Weaver on February 18, 2018, 02:03:36 AM

One of these years.... ;)

Don't think you need to worry about bang seats, the Seamew didn't have ejection seats and the RAF had a few combat types that didn't have full ejection capability (V-bombers comes to mind).  The RAF were kind of pushed into accepting the Seamew so when it was cancelled, maybe they were equally strong-armed to accept the only viable alternative?

The Seamew and the V-bombers wern't taking ground fire at 1000ft north of the DMZ in Vietnam though, were they?

USAF Skyraiders got an 'interesting' retrofitted escape system in the Stanley Yankee, which basically had a rocket stowed at an angle behind the seat which stood itself upright and then dragged the pilot out by his straps, leaving the seat in the plane. Unfortunately, I still can't see how this could be applied to the Gannet.
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Captain Canada

#27
February 18, 2018, 07:01:34 PM
Glad I got to see this one ! Looks great in US markings.

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PR19_Kit

#28
February 18, 2018, 10:57:03 PM
Quote from: Weaver on February 18, 2018, 06:16:34 PM

USAF Skyraiders got an 'interesting' retrofitted escape system in the Stanley Yankee, which basically had a rocket stowed at an angle behind the seat which stood itself upright and then dragged the pilot out by his straps, leaving the seat in the plane. Unfortunately, I still can't see how this could be applied to the Gannet.


Jeepers, that sounds dangerous.  :o

How come the rocket exhaust didn't cook the pilot when it fired?
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Snowtrooper

#29
February 19, 2018, 12:42:06 AM
The rocket apparently fired at an angle, just so that the exhaust missed the pilot's head (see photos in the link below). Of course, the pilot better hope that the rocket's erection mechanism as installed in the single-seat Spads had not malfuctioned, because otherwise the rocket would be shooting him at the back of the head. Which probably still beats burning alive or being crushed to death :rolleyes: At least in the wide-body Spads the rocket was already in the upright position to begin with.
http://tailspintopics.blogspot.fi/2011/10/yankee-tractor-rocket-escape-system.html
http://tailhooktopics.blogspot.fi/2017/03/a-1e-yankee-escape-system.html
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