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Cold War GB 2018 Discussion Thread

Started by NARSES2, February 01, 2018, 02:10:11 AM

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Weaver

Quote from: kitbasher on February 23, 2018, 03:53:40 AM
Thanks chaps.  Some GBs have threads for builds where each entrant posts progress.  Other GBs have them for profiles, others split into air/land/sea.  Others don't.

Was wondering what the set up for this GB was going to be beyond the four extant threads, that's all.

As far as I know, it'll be the same as all our other GBs, i.e. you start your own thread on the sub-board by way of announcing that you're entering. Good form is to start with a pic of the unassembled kit(s) and parts to show that you're starting from scratch.

You can start a thread on the board early by the way: just don't do any actual building before the start date.
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 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

kitbasher

Yes, of course.  Bri@nf@r+ on my part.
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NARSES2

Yup it's exactly the same as a normal build, you simply start the thread and that kicks things off. The difference with the "lead" threads is that they are "stuck" so as not to disappear down the page.
Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

zenrat

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Quote from: zenrat on February 23, 2018, 01:19:27 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 22, 2018, 02:41:22 PM
Here's a question for the mods.

Does 'Cold War' also cover the various Middle East Arab/Israeli wars during the same period?

One of my ideas would depict an IDF/AF aircraft supplied by 'A Western Nation', modified with parts from another 'Western Nation' that would have been in combat with aircraft supplied by 'Eastern Bloc' countries.

I may have already started a couple of the parts from the other 'Western Nation', and it's possible that they may be very long wings............  ;) ;D But I've just glued to tops to the bottoms on each side.

I shall consult H, but initial feeling is no, those were anything but "cold" wars.




The argument discussion is still going on.  Don't forget I am 11 hours ahead here so I have to wait that long before Weaver reads my messages.
On the other hand I get to see his replies before he writes them... :o

I am confident we are close to a settlement...

Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

Old Wombat

I may/may not have an entry in this (haven't decided) but weren't all the little global bush wars & (for want of a better term) "client-state" wars all part of the 3rd party posturing of the Cold War? :unsure:
Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!

"The purpose of all War is Peace" - St. Augustine

veritas ad mortus veritas est

Weaver

Quote from: Old Wombat on February 24, 2018, 05:57:30 AM
I may/may not have an entry in this (haven't decided) but weren't all the little global bush wars & (for want of a better term) "client-state" wars all part of the 3rd party posturing of the Cold War? :unsure:

How to deal with this is what we're having a slow-motion debate about at the moment.
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

PR19_Kit

Trust me to ask a difficult question.  ;D ;)
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Gondor

Quote from: Weaver on February 24, 2018, 06:00:45 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on February 24, 2018, 05:57:30 AM
I may/may not have an entry in this (haven't decided) but weren't all the little global bush wars & (for want of a better term) "client-state" wars all part of the 3rd party posturing of the Cold War? :unsure:

How to deal with this is what we're having a slow-motion debate about at the moment.

Well Hurry Up!!! There is less than a week before the start!!

Gondor
My Ability to Imagine is only exceeded by my Imagined Abilities

Gondor's Modelling Rule Number Three: Everything will fit perfectly untill you apply glue...

I know it's in a book I have around here somewhere....

NARSES2

Quote from: zenrat on February 24, 2018, 05:23:57 AM

I am confident we are close to a settlement...

Yup having been party to the discussion, purely with a "watching" brief  I think our Honourable Mods are there, just a matter of the final words.
Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

tigercat

I was hoping this was a typo and we'd be having a Cod War GB

And I could do aircraft from the Agriculture , Fisheries and Food special services squadron , Grimsby division.


loupgarou

Quote from: tigercat on February 25, 2018, 06:45:42 AM
I was hoping this was a typo and we'd be having a Cod War GB

And I could do aircraft from the Agriculture , Fisheries and Food special services squadron , Grimsby division.

Wasn't the Cod War a real one between Iceland and the rest of the world?
Owing to the current financial difficulties, the light at the end of the tunnel will be turned off until further notice.

tigercat

Yup , turns out HMS Eastbourne was actually damaged beyond economical repair as a consequence .

zenrat

Quote from: Gondor on February 24, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
Quote from: Weaver on February 24, 2018, 06:00:45 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on February 24, 2018, 05:57:30 AM
I may/may not have an entry in this (haven't decided) but weren't all the little global bush wars & (for want of a better term) "client-state" wars all part of the 3rd party posturing of the Cold War? :unsure:

How to deal with this is what we're having a slow-motion debate about at the moment.

Well Hurry Up!!! There is less than a week before the start!!

Gondor

Chill dude.

Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

Weaver

Okay, the mods have reached a decision, or rather we've agreed to differ and not kill each other (much in the spirit of the Cold War!)

Apologies for the delay: partly time zones and partly the fact that I was away from home much of Sunday.

Rule 3 has been amended to read as follows:

3. You can choose to depict any real nation or alliance of nations which existed during the real Cold War (including neutral countries that were affected by it but not part of either bloc). Alternatively, you can choose to depict any fictional nation/alliance your imagination can come up with, as long as it falls within the broad theme of a global capitalist vs communist confrontation that lasts from the end of WWII until the early 1990s in which nuclear-armed states seek to compete with each other but avoid direct combat that may lead to nuclear escalation. Your scenario may therefore involve a 'hot war' (i.e. one where actual lethal combat takes place) so long as a) the war is a 'proxy war' of limited scope that fits within the theme of the super-power stand-off, and b) if it involves a nuclear-armed state in direct combat, then it cannot involve an opposing nuclear armed state in direct combat.

By way of example, you can have American forces involved in a shooting war against Soviet proxies (North Vietnam or North Korea (note that China didn't have nukes in 1950)) or Soviet forces involved in a shooting war against NATO proxies (Afghanistan), but you can't have a shooting war in which NATO and WarPac forces are engaged with each other.


This is in answer to Kit's question below. In short, you can have matériel that's involved in a localized 'hot war' as long as it's relevant to the Cold War and your alternate history doesn't have NATO and WarPac forces in direct combat with each other (because that would be a WWIII GB, which is something else entirely).

Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 22, 2018, 02:41:22 PM
Here's a question for the mods.

Does 'Cold War' also cover the various Middle East Arab/Israeli wars during the same period?

One of my ideas would depict an IDF/AF aircraft supplied by 'A Western Nation', modified with parts from another 'Western Nation' that would have been in combat with aircraft supplied by 'Eastern Bloc' countries.

I may have already started a couple of the parts from the other 'Western Nation', and it's possible that they may be very long wings............  ;) ;D But I've just glued to tops to the bottoms on each side.
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

PR19_Kit

Phew, thanks. It looks like my plan is a goer then.  :thumbsup:
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit