Deutsches Technikmuseum Berlin

Knightflyer · July 22, 2018, 09:58:05 PM

So after I'd been to Gatow and my son had been on his bus tour, we met here ..... Deutsches Technikmuseum Berlin

Look for the building with the plane on it (my second DC-3 of the day!)

In the entrance hall, Matthias Rust's Reims Cessna F172P used for his landing near Red Square in Moscow on 28 May 1987

Then hanging in the main stairwell......!

and an early use of aerodynamics in car styling!

Dizzyfugu · July 23, 2018, 12:30:37 AM

Is the Kestrel prototype still hanging from the wall? When I visited the museum the last time (a couple of years ago), one was on display, together with a Pegasus engine - very impressive!

The Technikmuseum is highly recommended, esp. since the museum has been opened fully to the public.

Knightflyer · July 27, 2018, 09:53:34 AM

Quote from: Dizzyfugu on July 23, 2018, 12:30:37 AM
Is the Kestrel prototype still hanging from the wall? When I visited the museum the last time (a couple of years ago), one was on display, together with a Pegasus engine - very impressive!

The Technikmuseum is highly recommended, esp. since the museum has been opened fully to the public.

I don't remember seeing a Kestrel, I shall have to check my photos? WE did a bit of a whistle-stop tour of the Planes and Trains, so it's possible I dashed past it (but am pretty surprised if I did?!)

NARSES2 · July 28, 2018, 02:12:35 AM

That Ju 52's rather shiny. I bet if you put a model looking like that on the table someone would mutter "they never look like that"

ta for the pic's

Knightflyer · July 30, 2018, 07:36:02 AM

Another view of the Ju52, and on the roof with the DC-3

(my son who now 'manages' on the Central Line

zenrat · July 31, 2018, 04:48:31 AM

There is a swastika on the tail of the Bf 109.
I thought that wasn't allowed in Germany? Or is there dispensation for museums?

Not wanting to start a debate on the issue, just wondering.

Knightflyer · July 31, 2018, 05:08:55 AM

Quote from: zenrat on July 31, 2018, 04:48:31 AM
There is a swastika on the tail of the Bf 109.
I thought that wasn't allowed in Germany? Or is there dispensation for museums?

Not wanting to start a debate on the issue, just wondering.

A good question, and not one I can answer

I hadn't even twigged! However the Me 163 in my Gatow post also has a swastika and having just checked my photos both the He 111 and Fw 190 also did, so perhaps as you say, museums can?

Incidentally the Ju 52 had a rotating projection of different markings that it wore projected onto it's tail and that included the full swastika national flag as one of them (I noticed that, but didn't think any further)

However from Wiki

(3) Subsection (1) shall not be applicable if the means of propaganda or the act serves to further civil enlightenment, to avert unconstitutional aims, to promote art or science, research or teaching, reporting about current historical events or similar purposes. [...]

Old Wombat · July 31, 2018, 07:41:33 AM

This bit "to promote art or science, research or teaching" should cover the building of models, especially the "art" & "research" elements, as long as they aren't built with the intent of glorifying National Socialism or its policies.

KiwiZac · August 10, 2018, 02:34:22 AM

Museum aircraft may have swastikas, but not flying ones. Hence the German flag appearing instead, or a total absence of insignia.

One of those must-visit museums for me. Thanks for sharing these pics!

perttime · August 10, 2018, 06:44:09 AM

Leaving the central cross out of the swastika seems to be somewhat common on German historical aircraft and reproductions.

Hangar 10 (northern Germany) Messerschmitt Bf109 G-12 Testflight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=759CIhZgXsw

Knightflyer · August 29, 2018, 06:27:52 AM

Further batch from here for you

NARSES2 · August 29, 2018, 06:34:29 AM

Love the planished nose on that Taube, at least I assume it's one of the many variants of it.

Knightflyer · August 30, 2018, 02:37:56 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on August 29, 2018, 06:34:29 AM
Love the planished nose on that Taube, at least I assume it's one of the many variants of it.

Well here's another photo of it - suffers from "good camera, shame about the photographer though" syndrome

It appears to be a two-seater?

Also, this other oldie - with similar finish to the engine, unfortunately mainly hidden by the ladder set up to view the cockpit (why didn't I take one from the other side!

EDIT: This is a Focke Wulf FwA 16 according to AviationMuseum.Eu

NARSES2 · August 30, 2018, 06:24:45 AM

Quote from: Knightflyer on August 30, 2018, 02:37:56 AM

Well here's another photo of it - suffers from "good camera, shame about the photographer though" syndrome It appears to be a two-seater?

Most (if not all) variants of the Taube were 2 seaters. It's an interesting aircraft as the original was designed by Igo Etrich, but he forgot to patent (or whatever) the design and at least half a dozen other manufacturers just copied it and called it their own. One of the more common ones was Rumpler's version.

As for the "good camera, shame about the photographer" syndrome I know exactly what you mean. Especially since I've developed a slight shake

dumaniac · August 31, 2018, 12:45:30 AM

thanks for sharing the images.