The Racing and Competition G.B. General Discussion

[NARSES2]

As it says, the place to have a chat about your ideas and a place for your questions.

[TheChronicOne]

Hmmmmmmmm...  I've already made one racing glider:






I issue unto you all a CHALLENGE, in the true spirit of the group build, to create an even better, even slowerfaster glider!   

Speaking for myself, I have some of that one's cousins... two or three more little 1/72 gliders that I might attempt to make. I have quite a few race car decals sitting around so I should have all I need to decorate things.


Also, the idea of the slowest, bulkiest, least aerodynamic, etc being made into a racing vehicle. You know... like... that mechanized platform the space shuttle used to travel on. Top speed 1MPH, huge, and quite bulky. An An-12 and other ridiculously low stall speed aircraft.

How about some racing locomotives? Would be cool to see a racing semi truck or maybe a garbage truck or something. Racing street sweeper. 

Racing Nuclear Submarine? Richard Petty blue number 43 Los Angeles Class. How about a racing super freighter or racing cruise ship?


Or I'm just a buffoon with idiotic nonsense ideas, whatever, take your pick. 

[loupgarou]

Hmmm. Some ideas are not so far fetched. Pennsy and NYC steam trains used to race (unofficially) on parallel tracks leaving NY, IIRC.
And the Blue Ribbon (or Riband) was a trophy for passenger ships across the Atlantic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Riband

[TheChronicOne]

Thanks, great stuff!  Definitely. Some of the others aren't far fetched either, like the semi trucks (although I don't recall see them ever race with trailers attached; now THAT would be fun to watch). Just some ideas and perhaps things I haven't seen very many of modeled. 

I have a Ferrari model kit sitting somewhere I might slap some Folgers coffee NASCAR stuff onto. Hmmmmmmm. . . . ..

[TheChronicOne]

Holy crap, what a coincidence. I just left here and went to face book. The "you have memories from a year ago" thing popped up and the first one was a link I posted to Stan Mott artwork, thus, I present highly relevant material By Stan Mott:

[kerick]

There is also truck and tractor pulling contests.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tractor_pulling

[Dizzyfugu]

A German Reno Racer...


1:72 Vereinigte Flugtechnische Werke (VFW) 'The Jägermeister' (ex Heinkel He-100D); Reno Air Racer, Unlimited Class; summer 1969 (Whif/kit conversion) by dizzyfugu, on Flickr


1:72 Vereinigte Flugtechnische Werke (VFW) 'The Jägermeister' (ex Heinkel He-100D); Reno Air Racer, Unlimited Class; summer 1969 (Whif/kit conversion) by dizzyfugu, on Flickr


1:72 Vereinigte Flugtechnische Werke (VFW) 'The Jägermeister' (ex Heinkel He-100D); Reno Air Racer, Unlimited Class; summer 1969 (Whif/kit conversion) by dizzyfugu, on Flickr

[Weaver]

Hmmmmmmmm...  I've already made one racing glider:






I issue unto you all a CHALLENGE, in the true spirit of the group build, to create an even better, even slowerfaster glider!   

Speaking for myself, I have some of that one's cousins... two or three more little 1/72 gliders that I might attempt to make. I have quite a few race car decals sitting around so I should have all I need to decorate things.


Also, the idea of the slowest, bulkiest, least aerodynamic, etc being made into a racing vehicle. You know... like... that mechanized platform the space shuttle used to travel on. Top speed 1MPH, huge, and quite bulky. An An-12 and other ridiculously low stall speed aircraft.

How about some racing locomotives? Would be cool to see a racing semi truck or maybe a garbage truck or something. Racing street sweeper. 

Racing Nuclear Submarine? Richard Petty blue number 43 Los Angeles Class. How about a racing super freighter or racing cruise ship?


Or I'm just a buffoon with idiotic nonsense ideas, whatever, take your pick. 

How about a swing-wing glider? Folds it's wings back to pick up speed in a dive, then swings them forwards to turn the speed into lift...

Make it a ultra-modern thing made of carbon-fibre and computer-graphics with miniaturized flight-computers and a mission to save the planet with 'free' flight and you could probably get it funded for real on Kickstarter...

[kitbasher]

Looking forward to this GB.  I have my plastic ready, I know what to build.  It may not be as exciting as other creations but I'm itching to get it done!

[PR19_Kit]

How about a swing-wing glider? Folds it's wings back to pick up speed in a dive, then swings them forwards to turn the speed into lift...

Make it a ultra-modern thing made of carbon-fibre and computer-graphics with miniaturized flight-computers and a mission to save the planet with 'free' flight and you could probably get it funded for real on Kickstarter...

There've been a couple of variable geometry sailplanes, but none ever went into production. I don't mean ones with large flaps, as many do these days, I meant aircraft that radically changed their geometry.

The Beatty B-5 could change its chord AND span, both at once if need be, but ran into massive stability problems and later versions were more conventional.



There were also a couple of German designs after WWII, one which had telescopic wings to almost double its span as needed and the other had wings which were hinged at mid span and the outer half folded up underneath the inner half! Goodness knows what sort of trim change that latter type suffered during the change. 

[Rheged]

There were also a couple of German designs after WWII, one which had telescopic wings to almost double its span as needed and the other had wings which were hinged at mid span and the outer half folded up underneath the inner half! Goodness knows what sort of trim change that latter type suffered during the change. 

I'd be just ever so slightly concerned if the wing extension or wing folding mechanisms got out of sync.  Unplanned asymmetry would give results  that even our esteemed colleague Tophe might find challenging.

[PR19_Kit]

There were also a couple of German designs after WWII, one which had telescopic wings to almost double its span as needed and the other had wings which were hinged at mid span and the outer half folded up underneath the inner half! Goodness knows what sort of trim change that latter type suffered during the change. 

I'd be just ever so slightly concerned if the wing extension or wing folding mechanisms got out of sync.  Unplanned asymmetry would give results  that even our esteemed colleague Tophe might find challenging.

Exactly!

I'm not sure if they ever built the folding wing design, but the telescoping wing one definitely did. Sadly I can't find a reference to it on the net as yet, but someone made a flight simulation version of it and I may be able to track it down that way.

[perttime]

It's been a while since I drew anything. There's the land version of Macchi M39:



And a couple of modernized Napier-Heston Racers:

http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,34783.msg577449.html#msg577449
http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,34783.msg594692.html#msg594692

[perttime]

There are some interesting shapes in Control Line model aircraft. This one is a 1965 FAI class racer by Gerry Hand of Ireland:



https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?1530258-Control-Line-Team-Racer-plans-and-pictures

[Mossie]

Talking of gliders, I've often wondered if a tandem wing design would have benefits in terms of endurance.  The only one I know about is Rutan's Solitaire.