The Engines - More or Less GB : Discussion

[Weaver]

I'm reading a BAe 146 bookazine at the moment. One of the 146-200s used by Aviacsa (Mexico) had a damaged engine. The engine was removed for a 3-engine ferry flight into the USA for repairs. BAe test pilot Dan Gurney flew the aircraft. He said, 'the first time I saw the aircraft it had a cardboard missile stuck on the empty pylon' 

No photo unfortunately.

The 146 has three flap fairings, the inner two of which blend into the pylons. When I worked at Woodford, I often used to daydream about fitting a third pylon in front of the outboard flap-track fairing and hanging a couple of Sea Skuas on it, with a Seaspray radar in the nose (plenty of room) to guide them.

[Weaver]

No saying I'm going to do this, but...

There was a scheme put forward to replace the Space Shuttle's Solid Rocket Boosters with liquid fuelled ones, each being equipped with two F1 (Saturn V 1st stage) engines running RP-1 (kerosene) and liquid oxygen. That would raise the total number of engines in the launch stack from five to seven, even though the Shuttle would be unaltered. Am I right in thinking that this would count, even though the change is to the 'strap-on & fall-off' boosters rather than the actual spaceplane? After all, it's not as if the Shuttle could do anything without the boosters, so they were a pretty integral part of the system.

[PR19_Kit]

I think that'd be OK, the boosters were an integral part of the 'spaceframe' after all.

Should I put this forward for joint moderator consideration?

[rickshaw]

I think that'd be OK, the boosters were an integral part of the 'spaceframe' after all.

Should I put this forward for joint moderator consideration?

Sounds fine to me.

[Weaver]

I think that'd be OK, the boosters were an integral part of the 'spaceframe' after all.

Should I put this forward for joint moderator consideration?

Sounds fine to me.

Cheers Kit and Rickshaw 

I put this idea up as a hypothetical, but I've just being looking at bits and there might be an easy way to do it IF it's a truly whiffy mod to the original Shuttle, not the actual proposals, which were modifications offered in the late 1980s (post-Challenger) and 2010s (for SLS). I'd need a second Airfix Saturn V Skylab kit though, which is damned annoying since I used to have three, but sold two while I was out of work...

The proposed boosters were 18ft in diameter and used F-1B engines, which were a simplified and improved version that would have looked quite different to an original F-1 externally. The Airfix Saturn V Skylab kit has enough third stage parts (Skylab + Apollo) to build a booster of the right length, but it would be 21.7ft in diameter and use original F-1 engines, hence the need to make it a 1970s project.

[PR19_Kit]

We have some coverage for aircraft and land vehicles. What can we do about floaty things? Does a mast on a sail ship count as an engine?   

Good question, but I think it probably does. Whether EACH mast counts as an individual engine I'm not sure, but the mods will deliberate on the matter.

Are you thinking of an America's Cup J class schooner maybe? 

Just a random thought that popped to my mind while typing - but I guess that was the general idea.
... Or remove engine(s) from something and add sails.

You're good to go with the added or deleted sails idea. 

[zenrat]

I did a bit of rummaging in my stash today and a twin engined Gazelle would be a fairly simple kitbash using the Airfix 1/72 along with the engines from the Italeri/Tamiya Augusta A129 Mangusta.
It would take power from 450 kw to 1300 kw so would see a slight performance increase.

Going on recent performance I won't get to this during the GB so if anyone else wants to jump in and build one don't stand on ceremony.

[jcf]

A tri-motor P-38 is a natural, the third mounted as a pusher in an extended
centre nacelle.
Of course, I'm sure Tophe has already drawn it. 

[Weaver]

A tri-motor P-38 is a natural, the third mounted as a pusher in an extended
centre nacelle.
Of course, I'm sure Tophe has already drawn it. 

You could do the same with a pusher radial on a P-61 Black Widow, a Fokker G.I.

Fit a large pusher engine to an Fw.189, then remove the original Argus engines and replace them with heavy-calibre cannons.

[jcf]

Fit a large pusher engine to an Fw.189, then remove the original Argus engines and replace them with heavy-calibre cannons.

Use an Fw 189B and you could also have a heavy nose armament, or radar. 

[Weaver]

Fit a large pusher engine to an Fw.189, then remove the original Argus engines and replace them with heavy-calibre cannons.

Use an Fw 189B and you could also have a heavy nose armament, or radar. 

MPM did a kit of the -B too...

There were a small number of A-1s actually fitted with FuG-212 Lichtenstein C-1 radar and a single schrage musik-style MG.151 cannon in order to counter slow-flying night-harassment raids by Po-2s and the like on the Eastern Front. You might therefore imagine a B as an improved night-fighter, fitted with centimetric radar in a radome.

[jcf]

Or a ground attack type with a heavy multigun nose along the lines of the US gun-nose B-25 and A-26.

[zenrat]

I've been doing some rummaging.  I have an AMT 1/25 '65 El Camino and an AMT Parts Pack Pontiac SD421 engine.  Normally i'd swap the Elky's small block for the Poncho.  However, given the rules of this GB...


Some research.  This is Blo Bak.  Street Machine Magzine's first Street Machine of the Year in 1988.  Note that i am not planning to build a model of this vehicle (that would not be a whiff) but post these to show it has been done and to give a vague idea of what I am looking at.





https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/blobak-hq-holden-ute-chasiss-up-for-auction

[PR19_Kit]

There ain't no substitute for cubic inches! 

[sandiego89]

"No replacement for Displacement" is how the US hot rodders put it.